Paul B. wrote:Robin, I just moved the post over there. You can chuck this one if you wish!
Robin Garr wrote:No need ... just a suggestion, as we work things out. Let's leave this thread open so others can participate in that process by helping with reality checks.
Robin Garr wrote:....
I LIKE it that this forum is open to discussion of any serious wine subject, and I don't want to have us gain a reputation like eB^H^H some places where anyone who disagrees with a Guru is held up for scorn. But I think we can do that without becoming known as The Hybrid Lovers Discussion Group, and I hope we can accomplish this by being mature enough to express our excitement in an appropriate manner. Somewhere between manic and depressive there's a nice moderate comfort zone. It's a good place to be.
Neil Courtney wrote: I think Paul should stay here.
Bill Spohn wrote:The distinction is logical, Robin. We are not talking about different clones or something, we are talking about different SPECIES of grapes!
Neil Courtney wrote:....
The fact that many of us do not like non-vinifera wines, or in my case have never had the oportunity to even taste one, does not make it a non-serious subject.
Neil I am sure you have tried many non-vinifera wines in your life.
Neil Courtney wrote:Of which I now know there are two groups.
Robin Garr wrote:(And they all make crap wine ... )
Paul B. wrote:Robin Garr wrote:(And they all make crap wine ... )
Correction: And they make crap wine from them!
Surely one can't say that Malivoire's Old Vines Foch or Henry of Pelham's Baco Noir Reserve, or Turtle Run's Chambourcin, or Blumenhof's Cynthiana (granted, not all are pure native wines, but all have at least one foot that evolved in Eastern North America) are crap wines.
When one elevates the standard and desires to produce something beyond massively indifferent jug wine from a given variety, the result will simply be a better wine. They won't de-throne the grand First Growths or anything, but that's not the point! The point is that they can produce excellent dry table wines in our climate - and table wines are what most folks drink most of the time.