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ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Rahsaan » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:23 pm

Has anyone here ever ordered alphonso mangoes online? Any recommended sites/purveyors? Google brings me up lots of different options, but would prefer to get some recommendations/somebody vouching for a specific company.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Jeff Grossman/NYC » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:29 pm

Just use a stern tone of voice and look directly at them. That's how you order mangoes.


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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Shaji M » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:32 am

Rahsaan,
The closest I have come to Alphonso mangoes in the US have been the canned mango puree versions,which unfortunately is not the real thing! I feel the East coast is better blessed with this import than the left coast. And I agree that a stern tone might help ;)
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Rahsaan » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:47 am

Shaji M wrote:Rahsaan,
The closest I have come to Alphonso mangoes in the US have been the canned mango puree versions,which unfortunately is not the real thing! I feel the East coast is better blessed with this import than the left coast. And I agree that a stern tone might help ;)


Canned puree sounds frightening! Yes, I think east coast shops in cities with large Indian populations do carry them, but there are also lots of websites where you can order them directly to your house, regardless of where you live. I'm just trying to sort through which website may be more reliable.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Jenise » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:44 pm

Good luck, Rahsaan. Interesting how many varieties of mangos there are in the world vs. what anyone on the west coast tends to see in stores, generically labeled just 'mangoes'. Go to Hawaii and they're specific about this type or that--names we never hear--and long discussions about which is best occur frequently. I bought some small yellow mangoes at Whole Foods last weekend. They're sometimes called Phillipine mangoes and seem to have many other names too.

Btw, anyone ever eat the peel? A Kenyan family I knew ate the little Phillippine mangoes like apples, out of hand, peels and all. They do taste good, though I wouldn't now recommend any that one couldn't be sure had been grown pesticide-free.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Rahsaan » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:12 pm

Jenise wrote:I bought some small yellow mangoes at Whole Foods last weekend. They're sometimes called Phillipine mangoes and seem to have many other names too..


On the east coast Whole Foods stocks small yellow mangoes from Mexico that they call 'champagne mangoes'. They can be very good and have been a key part of previous Aprils, but with my diminished off-season fruit options I have been thinking about the internet. Plus, there is so much hyperbole about alphonso mangoes from India being the 'king of mangoes', I figured it might be worth exploring.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Shaji M » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:35 pm

Rahsaan wrote:...there are also lots of websites where you can order them directly to your house, regardless of where you live. I'm just trying to sort through which website may be more reliable.

I have to look this up. Growing up, the Alphonsos from Ratnagiri were the best. Still yet to find one that compares.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Jenise » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:17 am

Rahsaan wrote:
Jenise wrote:I bought some small yellow mangoes at Whole Foods last weekend. They're sometimes called Phillipine mangoes and seem to have many other names too..


On the east coast Whole Foods stocks small yellow mangoes from Mexico that they call 'champagne mangoes'. They can be very good and have been a key part of previous Aprils, but with my diminished off-season fruit options I have been thinking about the internet. Plus, there is so much hyperbole about alphonso mangoes from India being the 'king of mangoes', I figured it might be worth exploring.


That's it, the ones I bought on Sunday (at WF) they called Champagne Mangoes. Same thing I originally knew by the other name mentioned. Do love them! I don't think I've ever had an alfonso. Btw, once many years ago when I lived in Britain, I ran across a mango unlike any I've seen since. It was, first of all, huge. It was football sized, an absolute two-hander, and the skin was a bright sunset pink all over--no green whatsoever. I was far from home that day and had to carry this monster on foot and by train some distance, which was terribly inconvenient but it was just so exceptional looking (and smelling) that I couldn't not buy it (the green grocer I purchased it from had but the one). And I was rewarded--it was the best mango I had ever had up to that point, with a deep orange flesh.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Jeff Grossman/NYC » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:39 am

Sounds more like a papaya than a mango.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Jenise » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:43 pm

Jeff Grossman/NYC wrote:Sounds more like a papaya than a mango.


Right; but it wasn't. Wonder how many different varieties there actually are? Maybe not as many as apples (around 2500) but I'm sure many more than we'd ever know based on supermarket selection. My Kenyan friends talked of picking them growing wild along the beaches--they'd wade into the water to eat them, so that the dripping juices would just wash away.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Jenise » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:39 pm

The answer to the question about number of mango varieties? Over 400. The most impressive fact I found is that they are long-lived and long-bearing, to which the adjective "extremely" should be applied as some trees have been documented as having born fruit for up to 300 years.

Btw, if any of you ever see a 'mango nectarine': BUY. Similar in size to all the Pluots that have thankfully come into the marketplace, with barely-fuzzy green skin, they're one of the most dazzling new fruits I've tasted in years. Unfortunately, probably not successful due to the color being too unusual for that ridiculously unfair and low-brow arbiter of all things fruit: school kid lunches. I only saw them one season, but they might show up more urbane locales.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby David M. Bueker » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:57 pm

More of an alphonso pancake breakfast sort of guy...
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Rahsaan » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:13 pm

Well I have yet to find a good source for alphonso mangoes, but after being referred to this article: http://www.artofeating.com/tt/fruitstand.htm, I have been ordering a bunch of fruit from these folks in South Florida: http://www.robertishere.com/.

So far I've had two shipments, with canistel, mamey, Asian guava, and sapodilla. I'd never even heard of canistel or sapodilla and those were the two most exciting. Canistel was like sweet egg custard and the sapodilla is like a kiwi meets brown sugar pear. Always fun to add new flavors and textures to my life! I'd had mamey in Mexico and these ones from Robert is Here were not the best, although it is apparently the end of the season. Asian Guava was delicious and very good quality, although not as new to my life.

That said, it helps that I can do two-day ground from Florida, because I think elsewhere in the States it would have to be air, which would make it very very expensive instead of just slightly expensive.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Frank Deis » Fri May 02, 2014 5:29 pm

The "Champagne" mangoes are Adolfo = Ataulfo mangoes, and are closely related to the Alphonso mangoes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataulfo_(mango)

I really look forward to those and enjoy them a lot. I like to make a "salad" with alternating slices of perfectly ripe Ataulfo mango and perfectly ripe avocado. Dress with a little Major Grey chutney, it's pretty exquisite. Sometimes I include some "clean" grapefruit segments. I take apart a grapefruit the way chefs do so you end up with no outer membranes or white stuff just the little juice-bags clinging together in each segment. Those segments are called "suprèmes" just like a perfectly cleaned up chicken breast.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Rahsaan » Sun May 04, 2014 2:59 pm

Frank Deis wrote:The "Champagne" mangoes are Adolfo = Ataulfo mangoes, and are closely related to the Alphonso mangoes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataulfo_(mango)

I really look forward to those and enjoy them a lot. I like to make a "salad" with alternating slices of perfectly ripe Ataulfo mango and perfectly ripe avocado. Dress with a little Major Grey chutney, it's pretty exquisite. Sometimes I include some "clean" grapefruit segments. I take apart a grapefruit the way chefs do so you end up with no outer membranes or white stuff just the little juice-bags clinging together in each segment. Those segments are called "suprèmes" just like a perfectly cleaned up chicken breast.


Yes, they are really good and we've been eating a bunch over the past month, although the supply dried up a bit in recent weeks. That salad sounds good in theory, although in practice can you as a layperson (without your own specialty farm) your get good specimens of each ingredient? Those are 3 different seasons you're including at the same time.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Frank Deis » Sun May 04, 2014 4:58 pm

It's true that the mangoes appear and disappear from the stores -- but I get good avocados pretty much year round. I suppose you have higher standards than I do but if it's ripe, I'm gonna like it, even if the flavor is mild. I don't buy grapefruit that often, my meds don't like grapefruit, and I guess I haven't noticed that it's seasonal. When would you say those 3 seasons are, I'm serious about asking, I would like to know. I do know that sometimes grapefruits are so ripe and sweet that you can eat 'em like an orange, but mostly they are pretty harsh which probably means unripe, out of season.
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Re: ordering alphonso mangos?

Postby Rahsaan » Sun May 04, 2014 11:03 pm

Frank Deis wrote:It's true that the mangoes appear and disappear from the stores -- but I get good avocados pretty much year round. I suppose you have higher standards than I do but if it's ripe, I'm gonna like it, even if the flavor is mild. I don't buy grapefruit that often, my meds don't like grapefruit, and I guess I haven't noticed that it's seasonal. When would you say those 3 seasons are, I'm serious about asking, I would like to know. I do know that sometimes grapefruits are so ripe and sweet that you can eat 'em like an orange, but mostly they are pretty harsh which probably means unripe, out of season.


Citrus is Dec-March, with the peak in Jan-Feb, at least in my east coast shopping. Depending where you are and what their source is, you might get decent variants of citrus in April, but I'm usually not impressed and grapefruit tends to peter out earlier than other variants, at least in my experience.

I know there are all sorts of varieties of avocado that ripen throughout the year, but prime time for Hass (which dominates US stores) is summer, and in my experience although decent specimens may show up in late April/early May, they really start rockin' in June July August.

And then the champagne mangos seem best in April and May. So I guess you might get a peak version of that salad in late March early April, but there are tradeoffs. Still, those tradeoffs are not necessarily bad if it works with the dish. And it is an interesting idea I had not thought of.
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