Jonathan K wrote:
I am not sure what to make of this discussion.
The wines are what they are. They are fun and delicious for the most part, and very easy drinking wines. They occupy a fairly unique place in the kosher wine world. The Bro-deux and Power to the People Syrah bring a smile to my face every time, and is there an easier wine to drink that actually has some stuffing than the Coalition.
They are not (I don't think) supposed to be ageworthy or profound expressions but so what. I will agree that everybody has their breaking point on what to shell out for wines like these and in the non-kosher world, these wines would have to be a good 40% or more cheaper to compete, but I buy them. Anyway, I struggle to find wines I enjoy with seder and this year the Shirah wines really enhanced my experience, although I did drink enough of them this Pesach that I am unlikely to reach for one for awhile.
David Raccah wrote:Wow - I can go in so many different directions with this one. Let me start by saying that we all have our own opinions. My opinion, as was stated in the posting, is threefold:
1) These are really nice guys who have gone through a lot in life - more than you probably care to know, and that they have come out on the other side with their heads held high, both professionally and personally. My opinion, and I do not care if others disagree - as I know the accounts first hand and nuf said.
2) They make a very unique wines. Some call them light and easy, some call them fruity, some even call them juicy, I call them flat out unique! Until their wines - I had never smelled or tasted such a varied number of fruits within a single bottle of wine. YES, that is what I call unique. They are controlled and sweet and ripe. This is 100% up for debate and thank you as always Pinchas for your opinions - we disagree, though believe it or not - I doubt we really disagree as much as you would like to think. We both dislike overly sweet wines, we like wines with more acid. Your scoring system has no curve and mine does - who cares. You have an opinion and as always I respect it.
3) The wines show the style the boys like and the labels attempt to display that more than ANY OTHER label out there. Labels are not why I drink wine, and not here either.
Finally, in the end, your issue that they have not cut their teeth or earned their keep - to be blunt - is 100% BS and stupid - sorry! Really? For you track record matters? I have had the true pleasure of watching Four Gates evolve from DAY 1 and I had the true joy of enjoying much of Gan Eden wine before many here even knew what it was, as Craig was by my house and my friends homes - more often then you drank his wines. Are you going to tell me that if he brought you a bottle of his 1986 or 1989 Cabernet that you would have poo-pooed it until he had more years under his belt! Who cares! If the wine is good - praise it, if it sucks slam it! Period! By the way those two Cabs may well be the best Cabernet I have ever tasted!
So for you to say that time in the business matters - does not matter to me. I judge a wine by its flavors - not by the years of its creator, nor by the years that said creator has been in the Biz. I do not judge it by its cost or by its perceived value (though I do talk about it). In the end the ONLY thing that matters to me - is how does it taste, and these wines are all 100% unique and pushed to my sensory capacity. If you do not like them, I am 100% ready and fine with respecting your opinion. But cost, time in market, and time under the knife mean nothing to me or anyone else that I know.
David Raccah wrote:Pinchas - you and I truly disagree about one thing here, you do not like the wines and I do. Based on that fact - you then extrapolate and project your feelings in your comments. In the end, we disagree - get over it! I do! I like them and yes, just like Brob wines - they have hit sold doubles and home runs out of the gate - sorry!
More than that I have nothing to say - as always have a great day,
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