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David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Salil wrote:Tom - I'm using the term 'top growth' in the same way that some (PLL) are referred to as "super seconds" - the wines are of a high enough quality in many vintages that they'll rival the most elite left bank producers (the firsts/LMHB), and the market reflects that in terms of their pricing.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
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Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
David M. Bueker wrote:Under the radar is a good way to put it. The wines were highly sought after for a brief period of time around the 2000 vintage, but then drifted back into as much obscurity that a classed growth Bordeaux can. I have enjoyed many vintages of Branaire, but never been blown away by one.
Tom Troiano wrote:I think, in general, its a bit of a stretch to say that Lynch Bages in many vintages rivals the best but there are definitely some spectacular examples of Lynch Bages. I agree on PLL. I don't have enough experience with Ch. Palmer.
David Creighton
Wine guru
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:07 am
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David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Salil wrote:Though as far as Pauillac goes, nothing tops PLL for my tastes. Plus their consistency in "off" vintages like '81 and '94 is astounding.
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Matt, I think Pichon Lalande usually has a moderate amount of CF, but also a significant (compared to other properties) amount of Petit Verdot, which shows green even more than CF.Matt Richman wrote:. Does this have a lot of cabernet franc in it? Has that green, peppery edge.
8/23/2005
2002 Bordeaux Offline (Frank's Steakhouse, NYC): Rich, big fruit. Sweet, lots of stiff tannins. Fruit a bit short & flat. Nice.
B.
Recently I've thought the 82 (as well as 86) Talbot was better than Branaire. And I'd generally choose Beychevelle before Branaire. But other than that pretty much agreeIt may outperform fellow St. Julien 4th growths Talbot (except the 86), Beychevelle and Saint Pierre and 3rd growth Langoa Barton, although I've had less experience with any of those than I have with Branaire. I would say Lagrange has the quality edge.
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9556
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
Matt Richman wrote:I like Branaire. I think it is well priced relative to other Bdx of the quality and I own quite a bit of it in many vintages. The 82 96 and 89 are particularly wonderful. It can be long lived and I have really enjoyed the 75 and 78 at the 30+ year mark.
But it's no Ducru Beaucaillou, Leoville Poyferre or Barton or Las Cases. It is not St Julien's Palmer or Pontet Canet. I've never had one that hits the highs of Lynch Bages or Grand Puy Lacoste. It also is not priced as high as any of those wines.
It may outperform fellow St. Julien 4th growths Talbot (except the 86), Beychevelle and Saint Pierre and 3rd growth Langoa Barton, although I've had less experience with any of those than I have with Branaire. I would say Lagrange has the quality edge.
Bottom line is it's an enjoyable wine but I doubt it would be of particular special interest to a wine geek. What have you decided to bring?
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9556
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
Matt Richman wrote:But it's no Ducru Beaucaillou, Leoville Poyferre or Barton or Las Cases. It is not St Julien's Palmer or Pontet Canet. I've never had one that hits the highs of Lynch Bages or Grand Puy Lacoste. It also is not priced as high as any of those wines.
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