New Rogov Brandy

[Ryan M]

Adam, will it be possible to get Rogov Brandy in the States? I would very much like to get a bottle or two.

To all the faithful followers here, I'd like to apologize that I have long since migrated to the other side, despite being one of the Strat's Place folk. I do still check in frequently, as the Israeli wine scene remains of great interest to me - compliments of our dearly departed Curmudgeon, of course.

[Jon Tabak]

Chaim - You surely do mean "heavenly Brandy"

[Yossie Horwitz]

Here is a link to the informational label of the new brandy: http://www.israeli-wine.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Rogov-Leaflet.pdf. Be interesting to know how different it is (technically in addition to TN-wise) from the existing two premium Carmel brandies (the 100 and 120).

[David Raccah]

Yossie this looks like the 120 - from the data. The 100 is younger than the numbers used for this blend. I saw the data on israel wine as well, and will email Adam.

David

[David Raccah]

Here is the total info where the link emanates from..

http://www.israeli-wine.org/2012/01/06/rogov-brandy/

David

[Yossie Horwitz]

Link and leaflet provide the same information - I also emailed Adam for the info - be interesting also to see how it prices compared to the 120.

[DavidPer]

More info on the new Rogov Brandy at Hakerem, the Israel Wine Blog: http://www.israeli-wine.org/2012/01/06/rogov-brandy/

as well as the Carmel Brochure: http://www.israeli-wine.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Rogov-Leaflet.pdf

[Yossie Horwitz]

Thanks David - these seem to be the same two links David and I posted - no? I heard back from Adam Montefiore with some additional details. The Rogov Brandy is based on the brandy used in the Carmel 100 Brandy but which has been in the barrel since its release and will thus have two additional years of aging on it over the Carmel 100. It was produced in a limited run of 300 bottles, will be available solely from Carmel's shop and will retail for 500 NIS.

[Samuel A]

Well, Adam Montefiore doesn't seem to be very helpful in terms of the details of this.
I for one am disappointed. What's the harm in logging in to answer the various questions being raised??
That is what this forum is supposed to be about!
It's a bit pathetic that various very interested forumites are raising questions and lobbing guesses when we all know that Adam is observing the generation of all of this "buzz" at our expense.

If someone in the trade is going to raise a new product, he should stand ready to provide additional info as needed.

[David Raccah]

Hello Guys,

Carmel is a large establishment and with that comes the obvious potential for people to voice their opinions. This forum will only succeed with open opinions, whether or not I agree with them, which is how it should be.

I emailed Adam like Yossie did, but I did not post the response until I heard from him about his sentiments of this thread. There have been a few folks here who within their rights have voiced some opinions about the motives, and to that I state good for them. That said, Adam and Rogov were best of friends and as such, he asked the wife for permission and even was willing to share the purse. Her response was no need, and that the bottle would be honor enough for her late husband.

Whether we agree on the motives or not, have one's image placed on a bottle as a memorial by a large company like Carmel is fitting tribute to a man who put his life and soul into this business. As a large company they will need to field the questions on their motives, and that is fine. The Carmel company owes nothing to anyone other than to the Family estate who's name will be on the bottle, and to that the response was thank you for the honor, but we need no more than that.

I think in his honor we can allow ourselves to say - Thanks to Carmel for putting themselves out there and placing an image of the man that helped them and many other institutions become what they are, knowing all that well, that if the spirit was a failure, it would be a large slap in the face.

I understand perfectly well, that it can be viewed as taking advantage of the person, or a shill to sell more swill, but knowing the folks involved, why not lay the swords down and simply state - thanks and may Daniel rest in peace, and may the family find solace from their lose.

Best wishes as always,
David

[Samuel A]

David - I think you misunderstood my last post. I was expressing disappointment at the lack of response to substantive questions regarding the BRANDY - not the largely manufactured and frankly uninteresting drama surrounding it). Why should people have to send private messages directly to Adam? That's rubbish!

If Adam or anyone else in the trade is going to blast an announcement regarding a new product, s/he should then stand by to timely respond to legitimate substantive questions.

This kind of nonresponsiveness wouldn't have occurred prior to Last September....

It makes me wonder whether the initial blast followed by silence was specifically designed to generate the maximum "buzz."

[Gabriel Geller]

Assuming that most of you here are Brandy lovers/drinkers, I'll allow myself to take the opportunity to ask you folks here a question that has very little to do with the "Rogov Brandy"... I'd like to know if you've had a chance to taste the Empereur XO, widely spread in the Israeli market and which is actually a Cognac made in Cognac, France but that is being bottled in Petach Tikva (and is kosher), Israel by Perfect Renaissance Ltd. and therefore can't be labelled as "Cognac". If you had this Cognac, what did you think?

Best,

GG

[DavidPer]

Here's another Carmel Brandy (named Nitzahon, which means "victory" for those of you who don't speak Hebrew) from the past to celebrate Israel's victory in the 1967 Six Days War:


Untitled by innocents abroad, on Flickr

By the way, this bottle still has some of the original brandy in it!

[Jonathan Kalman]

David - I think you misunderstood my last post. I was expressing disappointment at the lack of response to substantive questions regarding the BRANDY - not the largely manufactured and frankly uninteresting drama surrounding it). Why should people have to send private messages directly to Adam? That's rubbish!

If Adam or anyone else in the trade is going to blast an announcement regarding a new product, s/he should then stand by to timely respond to legitimate substantive questions.

This kind of nonresponsiveness wouldn't have occurred prior to Last September....

It makes me wonder whether the initial blast followed by silence was specifically designed to generate the maximum "buzz."

I stopped posting on this site a while ago but still look at it from time to time. I am appalled at the tone used by some people here and the post above is a prime example. Adam Montefiore was one of Daniel's closest friends and is a man of integrity. The accusations being made against him are low and crass and I am not at all surprised that he is not interested in participating further in this matter.

[Alexander F]

Can someone explain the difference between Rogov Brandy and Carmel 120? From my understanding both are made from 10,15,25/27 years barrels.

Thanks

[Philip Aron]

An extra 355 N.I.S, and a different name on the label.

[David Raccah]

It is indeed very similar to the 120 and is less than the 120 by 50 sheck. Philip, you are mixing up the 120 and the 100. The Carmel 100 costs 200 NIS, while the Carmel 120 costs 550 NIS and the Rogov edition is 500 NIS.

David

[David Raccah]

This is a nice write up by David Rhodes here:

http://www.israeli-wine.org/2012/01/16/ ... -branding/

David

[Philip Aron]

Yes David, you are right. The Brandy "120" costs 145$ and not 145 N.I.S