Elie Poltorak wrote:Interesting how 4 gates don't score well with Rogov, yet they're the closest thing to a cult wine in the Kosher market.
Daniel Rogov wrote:Elie Poltorak wrote:Interesting how 4 gates don't score well with Rogov, yet they're the closest thing to a cult wine in the Kosher market.
In my evaluation, Four Gates wines invariably earn scores of 87, 89 and 89 with the occasional 90 creeping in from time to time. Scores in that range indicate wines that I consider good to very good and recommended. Hardly "bad' scores.
As to being a cult winery, I suspect a good deal of that has to do with Benjamin Cantz' charming personna, his rather unique individualistic and almost hermit-like life-style, and that indeed his wines are a considerable shade different than many of the kosher wines we find on the market.
With no comparison whatever to Benjamin's wines (which as I say are very good), that a winery attains a cult-like following is not, however, an automatic indicator that the wines will be exceptionally or even basically good. Those who will remember the Tekoa winery in Israel will recognize that, for here was a winemaker that decided that the South African Berlinka grape, used exclusively in South Africa as a table grape, would make fine wine. The wines were seriously oxidized on release, and within a year had assumed a taste, texture and aroma profile of a what one might imagine to be a blend of balsamic vinegar, maple syrup and camel dung. Despite which, he did have a cultish following, a few members of that cult who still have his wines and enjoy them from time to time.
YoelA wrote:According to the winery's website the current pinot noir is a blend of more recent vintages, so Rogov probably hasn't tasted it yet.
Elie Poltorak wrote:Although you refer to scores of 87-90 as "good to very good and recommended," that's the scoring range for the vast majority of mediocre/ok wine out there--hardly wines an enthusiast would get excited over.
Daniel Rogov wrote:Elie Poltorak wrote:Although you refer to scores of 87-90 as "good to very good and recommended," that's the scoring range for the vast majority of mediocre/ok wine out there--hardly wines an enthusiast would get excited over.
Whoa.....wines that that are "mediocre/ok" earn scores of 80-84 (Average and Not Exciting, Recommended Primarily as Entry Level Wines; wines that are mediocre and at least somewhat faulted and not recommended earn scores of 75-79.
When it comes to wines earing 87-90 points we might be talking about a great many fine Bordeaux wines that happen to give us the good luck of making for fine drinking but at more reasonable prices than their brothers and sisters that earn higher scores.
The true wine lover who scorns wines in the 87-90 point category because of their scores is going to miss a great many very good and interesting wines.
That Benjamin's wines are "different than their peers", may well make sense. Being different, however, even though that may add interest, does not necessarily translate into higher quality or higher scores. What it may translate into is greater interest and appreciation on the part of those seeking those differences. That, of course, is perfectly legitimate.
Referring once again to the wines of Tekoa (and again stressing that there is no connection whatever with those and the wines of Four Gates), those were certainly "different than their peers". That most certainly did not add to their quality. As a possible point of information, those wines earned between 50-55 points when I rated them.
Elie Poltorak wrote:Truly a pity that Rogov was unable to do the Four Gates tasting.
Mike BG wrote:Quick reply just after Pesach. We had the Four Gates 2010 Pinot Noir on Shabbos Chol Hamoed. It was just wonderful! Shame I could only order 4 though!
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