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Don Appleton wrote:
I also like Orvieto Classico - I've found the ones I like best are those that have a relatively higher percentage of Grechetto in relation to Trebbiano; one I've had recently that I like is 2008 Ruffino Orvieto Classico ( 60% Grechetto) - available in PA for about $12.
Tim York wrote: What Italian white wine types benefit from a few years ageing? Any views?
Robert Helms wrote:The other wine that definitely improves with age is Valentini's Trebbiano. But I have never tasted a trebbiano from anyone else that had the same qualities.
Bob Henrick
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Robert Helms wrote:
Bob Henrick wrote: Aging of course means different things to different people, but I do think the best fiano can go out to 5 years with very good storage. Greco, maybe 3 years. More than that both will quickly start to go over the hill, and will go pretty fast downhill. Verdicchios I have never held onto for long as they are so darn good young. If I could find the wines of which you speak, I would put away a couple for some time just to check it for myself. I can probably find the Verdicchio di Castel di Jesu, but am not sure of which producers. I am sure I can find a couple better Soave wines locally, and probably some Trebbiano, but not sure (again) on producers.
Bob Henrick
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Bob Henrick
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Sydney X wrote:Hello, my name is Christian and I'm from Italy.
I hope to be welcome.
Best Italian white wwines I have ever tasted:
Chardonnay Riserva 1991 Gravner (all the Gravner's 1991s are great: Ribolla Gialla, Bianco, etc)
Maia & Rey 1989 Gaja (but it has not minerality like a Montrachet)
Trebbiano 1996 Valentini (Is Valentini's Trebbiano the best italian white? Maybe)
Generally I like these:
Langhe bianco - Vajra (it's a riesling)
Vorberg Riserva - Terlano
Soave Classico Froscà - Gini
Terre Alte Rosazzo Bianco - Livio Felluga
Fiano di Avellino "Vigna della Congragazione" - Villa Diamante
Valle Isarco Riesling "Kaiton" - Kuenhof
Sydney X wrote:Hello, my name is Christian and I'm from Italy.
I hope to be welcome.
michael dietrich
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Wed May 10, 2006 5:09 pm
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Robert Helms wrote:Christian,
You are indeed welcome!
Robert Helms wrote:Both Gravner and Jermann have to be included in the list of Italian whites that age well. I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with both producers. On the one hand, I appreciate the intensity of flavour, the individuality, the craftsmanship; on the other, the specific flavour profiles tend not to push my buttons. I tend to find Gravner's whites to have an oxidised quality. Jermann's tend to be really quite acid and lean. And I guess I prefer my whites a bit on the plumper but less sherried side. I sometimes wonder if I just haven't had the right wine on the right day.
Robert Helms wrote:The vintages I have had of Gaia and Rey are later, mid to late 90s. While I certainly agree that Gaia & Rey lacks the minerality (on the palate) of a Montrachet; it tends to have a wonderful rich nose. You could argue it is more Meursault than Montrachet but the closest nose that comes to mind is Sauzet PM Les Combettes. The problem is that the palate does not deliver what the nose promises.
Robert Helms wrote:We probably drink more Soave than any other Italian region. As noted before, my favorites producers are Pieropan, Inama, Pra, Gini, Suavia, Roccolo Grassi, Angelino Maule (Gambellara). We also drink a certain amount of everyday whites from central Italy. Pomino Bianco and Vermentino from Frescobaldi. The Guado al Tasso Vermentino. Castello di Ama's al Poggio and Rosato (a pink but so what ). Fontana Candida Frascati especially the single vineyard version but the base is drinkable and cheap.
Jenise
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Don Appleton wrote:Hello,
I'm new to this board, been active on some other boards for several years. I'm a wine educator in the Lehigh Valley PA area and Italian wines is one of my favorite topics to teach and talk about, so this is a great thread. Some of my favorite whites would be -
Almondo Arneis Bricco delle Cigliege 2009
Jermann Vinnae 2007 (Ribolla Gialla)
Pieropan Soave Classico Calvarino 2005
Terredora “Loggio della Serra” Greco di Tufo 2008
Bob Henrick
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:35 pm
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Jenise wrote:Don, first of all, welcome to WLDG. Secondly, you mention a wine I'm going to report on. Well, you mention an 05 where mine was an 04, but last weekend we opened:
2004 Pieropan Soave Classico Calvarino
This is our first Calvarino after motoring through a six pack of the 2004 Peiropan La Rocca over the last six months--a wine we adored and which did not prepare us adequately for it's stocky little brother. That is, the La Rocca had a sweetness to its fruit where the Calvarino is bone dry and a bit blunt, utterly unlike Soave I've ever had. No notes taken at the time, but as I remember itm deep gold with notes of almond, dried apricots, celery, and slate. It took some getting used to and would likely do it's best work as a food wine, but for sipping (which was our circumstance) it doesn't offer the pleasure the La Rocca did.
Jenise
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
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Bob Henrick wrote:A few days ago I tried an inexpensive 2007 Amano Soave Classico that pretty much was spot on for what you are saying about the Pieropan Calvarino Soave. The Amano was a 2007 (which is probably pushing the envelope for a cheapie). Your mentioning of celery is exactly the feature that put me off on it. Like you I had it as a sipper and that was over 3 days. It was better on the third day, but not enough better for me to try another, Or maybe I should try it with something like chicken pot pie?
Christian Vendramin wrote:Hello, my name is Christian and I'm from Italy.
I hope to be welcome.
Jenise wrote:
2004 Pieropan Soave Classico Calvarino
This is our first Calvarino after motoring through a six pack of the 2004 Peiropan La Rocca over the last six months--a wine we adored and which did not prepare us adequately for it's stocky little brother. That is, the La Rocca had a sweetness to its fruit where the Calvarino is bone dry and a bit blunt, utterly unlike Soave I've ever had. No notes taken at the time, but as I remember itm deep gold with notes of almond, dried apricots, celery, and slate. It took some getting used to and would likely do it's best work as a food wine, but for sipping (which was our circumstance) it doesn't offer the pleasure the La Rocca did.
Bob Henrick
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:35 pm
Lexington, Ky.
Don Appleton wrote:In a previous post I mentioned the Compania wine Terrodora Greco di Tufo DOCG - very different from the northern Italian whites in aroma and palate characteristics, I like the full body earthy nature of this wine with a reasonable acidity backbone as well. How do others feel about this wine?
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