Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:The thread from Tim the other day and the Delas tasting over on WineBeserkers.com intrigued me so I picked up a bottle of the `07 Saint-Esprit. Reading all the notes, it is pretty obvious that there is some vaste bottle variation here.
WTN: `07 Delas Freres Cotes du Rhone Saint-Esprit.
Not a bad price here, $18 Cdn. Good quality cork, opened half hour and consumed over two days. Slightly better on day 2, less astringent on the finish.
Color is light garnet with purple tinges on rim. Other TNs elsewhere speak of a much darker wine than mine.
Nose is baked cherry pie with some raspberry as it airs. Not all that special for me.
On the palate, dry, cherry, raspberry. Highish acidity, no big structure here. Soft tannins, tad earthy but some bitterness on the finish. Pretty average wine I`d say, has to be better out there for the price. Tims bottle was better than this I think.
Day 2, hint of cocoa, more savoury but not too pleasant a drink. Most thoughts elsewhere on the other forum seem to echo my feeling?
Bob Henrick wrote:Bob, I am probably showing my worst side, but I have in fact never had a Delas wine that I could ever recommend. the best have been drinkable only, and the worst totally undrinkable. I would add that I have never had one that I thought was anything but just and simply bad wine, none corked, or cooked, or premox, or reductive, just not good.
Tim York wrote:Bob, when did you last have a wine from Delas? IMO, they have become very sound producers, if rarely exciting, since the Roederer take-over. I prefer the likes of Jamet, Graillot, Gonon and Clape, but if they are not available and Delas is I would go with Delas. If by "bad" you mean unexciting, OK.
Tim York wrote:Hi Bob. Is this B&G you refer to Barton & Guestier? If so, I don't think that I have tried any of their wines for over 25 years, which shows what I used to think of them.
Re the CDR Saint-Esprit 07 from Delas, there is a lot of evidence that the bottles are very variable due, no doubt, to multiple bottling runs. Bob P posted some links to Wineberserkers and EBob which expanded on this. The first taste I had was poured by a Delas representative at a Brussels tasting (TNs of the range somewhere) and no doubt he took care that it was from a good bottling; I liked a second bottle from a supermarket much less but the food pairing did it no favours.
I had a conversation about bottling variations which Rémy Klein of the excellent QPR Rhône estate, La Réméjeanne, and he said that he was unable to get on top of these variations; using exactly the same methods, one bottling run may have reduction and the next may be good and so on. He has tried the biodynamic approach of having regard to moon phases, etc, with no useful results.
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