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Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Ian Sutton
Spanna in the works
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Norwich, UK
Alejandro Audisio
Ultra geek
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:03 am
Buenos Aires, Argentina
David Creighton
Wine guru
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:07 am
ann arbor, michigan
MikeH wrote:Excuse me, but doesn't that imply that over two-thirds of new entries DO win awards?
Carl Eppig
Our Maine man
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:38 pm
Middleton, NH, USA
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Matt Richman wrote:I don't have a problem with them listing restaurants that supposedly strive to have good wine lists and service. But if you aren't going to actually judge them, then DON'T CALL THEM AWARDS.
Brian Gilp wrote:But what about those that are not new enteries? I thought I read somewhere that 3600 of 3800 enteries received and award. If one-third of the new enteries are rejected and the 3600 of 3800 is correct does that imply that once on the list always on the list?
Brian Gilp wrote:But what about those that are not new enteries? I thought I read somewhere that 3600 of 3800 enteries received and award. If one-third of the new enteries are rejected and the 3600 of 3800 is correct does that imply that once on the list always on the list?
Dale Williams wrote:All that being said, I did think that Goldstein was a little deceptive in his description of scam:
[...]
2) he didn't mention that he was listing only 15 out of more than 250 wines listed, and that the rest had lots of high scoring WS wines.
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Dale Williams wrote:I still think the whole thing is funny, but neither side looks like a paragon of integrity to me.
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
Bob Henrick
Kamado Kommander
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:35 pm
Lexington, Ky.
David Glasser wrote:Not only did this guy make up the restaurant, but he populated the wine list with the worst-scoring wines from the last 20 years of Wine Spectator reviews:
http://osterialintrepido.wordpress.com/
Dale Williams. wrote:The only thing that seeing an Award of Excellence does for me is assure me they serve wine.
Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:I may be dim today (wink) but I do not see/understand the connection with Chouhound. Is Goldstein/whoever part of that set-up?
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
Daniel Rogov wrote:Open, of course, to disagreement.
Daniel Rogov wrote:I am here neither to bury nor to praise either Goldstein or the Wine Spectator but to make one three-part point about which I feel strongly.
1. Many people have Ten Commandments and a few additional rules with which to guide their lives. Con-men have only one iron-clad rule: "You can only con someone who is himself looking to con you".
2. I concur that Mr Goldstein (whose name, until this bruhaha broke,was unknown to me) set up a scam and got away with it. I do not concur with the Wine Spectator editors and writers in that they were "victims" of that scam. The Spectator fell victim to nothing more than their own method of accepting information and giving awards without adequately checking the validity of that information.
3. The simple truth of the matter is that setting up a scam in cases of investigative reporting is a standard tool, meant to build a trap into which only the guilty will fall. As to the motives of Mr. Goldstein, the claim that he had "ulterior motives" carries no weight because what he did harms no-one but those who fell into the trap.
Open, of course, to disagreement.
Best
Rogov
Bob Henrick
Kamado Kommander
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:35 pm
Lexington, Ky.
David Glasser wrote:Bob H. - you remember right. I'm a relic from the original Compuserve forum and early days of WLDG. Got lost for a while and found my way back. So now satisfy my curiosity - were you the guy who bought a third-hand VinoTemp from Linda B. many years ago?
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
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