Robin, I am not visiting the types of sites that you reference and truthfully I resent the implications as even a possibility. You and I differ on our treatment of security on the internet. I haven't blamed the software for anything. If you read all of my post to Neil, you will see that I admitted that my inability to use the forum in the way he was pointing out might be my security settings. My exact words were "So, unless it is the fault of my cantankerous ( or as some might have it over zealous) security protection," So, how is it that I am blaming the software. you seem to be so protective of the software everywhere you land,. you drove away many of the finest with this kind of response in the Netscape forum and if someone here (me for example) says anything that YOU can take as inflamatory towards the software you seem to lash out. Frankly I really do not like to air this kind of dirty linen in the open this way, and have in the past taken it private, but I seem to keep getting it in the open so I am answering in the same vein. You can of course bar me from the forum if you desire, as I know that you do have that ability. I suspect that you also have the ability to zap any post from the forum that you think is counter to the good of the fo\rum and anytime you want you can feel free to zap mine. I would of course appreciate a public explanation of what and why it was done.