wrcstl wrote: The bill comes, someone adds the tip (15+%-20%), you divide by the number of people and everyone pays, regardless if you had a dessert or an appetizer. This is very easy
wrcstl wrote:The problem with stiffing the wait staff is that many times it is not their fault. Walt
Robert Reynolds wrote:wrcstl wrote:The problem with stiffing the wait staff is that many times it is not their fault. Walt
Walt, I usually give the wait staff the benefit of the doubt, if it is a matter of slow food from the kitchen, or a dirty fork when I unroll the napkin. But if I have to repeatedly ask the young waitress for more Pink Stuff for Gail's tea, when she obviously has her mind on the guy she is constantly flirting with; or when the waitress picks the glass off the tray with her thumb and finger, by the rim!, and doesn't seem to realize she has left a large smudge on the INSIDE of the glass in doing so, it is easy to figure out that it most definitely IS the wait staff at fault. In that case, they will be lucky to get 10%, and if I'm ticked off enough by then, the aforementioned dollar. A tip should be an incentive to give good service, not an entitlement.
Bill Spohn wrote:So you are OK with getting horrid service and being forced to tip anyway, even though you may not have noticed the notice in the menu that you'd need a magnifying glass to read? Not this cowboy.[...]
When I go to a restaurant I am paying for good food and good service. That emphatically does NOT include overly friendly wait staff - I want them to SERVE me, I don't want to adopt them. In my more curmudgeonly moods I have been known to just stare at them until they get tired of waiting for an answer to their faux sincere salutations and ask about what I would like, then reply that I'd like a menu and then to be left alone.
Bill Spohn wrote:So you are OK with getting horrid service and being forced to tip anyway
Covert wrote:Bill Spohn wrote:So you are OK with getting horrid service and being forced to tip anyway
This might have been covered, but I believe etiquette rules that one leaves a normal tip no matter what, for all the reasons that cultured people know by heart.
Bill Spohn wrote:And personally I think anyone that tips in the face of totally inattentive or inappropriate service is a fool.
Brian Gilp wrote:She made almost three times a normal weeked but If anything her service was worse than normal due to the difficulty of working in a bikini not to mention how much longer it took to get order out since the males were now more interested in the waitress than the food/drinks. So obviously there was no relationship between quality of service and tips.
Bill Spohn wrote:Not at all. On that weekend, she was offering a different service than her normal take an order, bring the food routine. Obviously (and I'm sure to no one's surprise) that additional service offered was much appreciated by a certain segment of the patrons, and tips followed.
On 'normal' business days, she would be relying on her cheerful personality, and effective service, and if that didn't result in better tips than someone giving ill informed sullen service, then there ain't no justice.
Covert wrote:When I see one who never even learned how to drink a glass of wine, I almost shed a tear, rather than want to hurt the person even more, and leave an even bigger tip, before repairing to my personal little lap of luxury, for as many days as I feel like staying above the fray, from which I can extract a Lafite anytime and pour it the way I want.
William K wrote:Covert wrote:When I see one who never even learned how to drink a glass of wine, I almost shed a tear, rather than want to hurt the person even more, and leave an even bigger tip, before repairing to my personal little lap of luxury, for as many days as I feel like staying above the fray, from which I can extract a Lafite anytime and pour it the way I want.
And there you have it. The way I see it, although I am unlikely to ever reach the point where I can extract a Lafite anytime, I can reach the point where I behave with that kind of grace.
Well put, Covert.
Covert wrote:Thus I am ultimately, I suppose, no better than a niggard who would leave an anemic tip, in that I deign the elitist flip side of the same coin, but am kinder in trying not to show it, and might get to Heaven on a wild card.
Bill Spohn wrote:As for tipping, I take your point that the thrust of leaving a low tip is often wasted because one doesn't always communicate the reasons to the staff, and the staff on their side tend to the common human practice of blaming everyone but themselves. In the rare instance that I find myself leaving a low (or no) tip s a result of poor service, I unburden myself upon hearing the ubiquitous words oft spoken by the maitre d' "How was you dinner tonight?". Not really in expectation of any answer but "Very nice" and so surprised by my acceptance of their salutation as an invitation to actually respond. I know not whether my comments are then passed on to the errant srever, but I suspect so.
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