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JCollins wrote:Any opinions?
Alcohol Labeling Proposal Sets Off a Brawl
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
3812
Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
Peter May wrote:Better would be making it legal to put such information on wine labels - i.e. making it optional. As well as allowing winelabels to have information on teh postive effects of drinking wine.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34368
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:I have one major objections: it will slow internet wine board traffic.
The more serious issue to me is that some less informed folks will be put off a glass of wine because they see something other than grape juice on an ingredient label. There are things that need to be used to make wine, and there's no way to explain all of that on a label.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34368
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Robin Garr wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:I have one major objections: it will slow internet wine board traffic.
D'oh! Get me my Congressman!The more serious issue to me is that some less informed folks will be put off a glass of wine because they see something other than grape juice on an ingredient label. There are things that need to be used to make wine, and there's no way to explain all of that on a label.
I'm troubled, philosophically, by the "consumers are too stupid to understand it" argument.
I also think it fails the real-world test. If you clicked through to my Wine Advisor article on labeling, you might have noticed that I used a box of saltines as an analogy. This is a direct quote from the end of a box of Zesta:
Enriched flour (wheat flour, niacinimide, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate [Vitamin B1], riboflavin [vitamin B2], folic acid), vegetable oil [soybean, cottonseed, hydrogenated soybean and/or cottonseed), partially hydrogenated soybean and/or cottonseed oil with IBHQ and citric acid for freshness], salt, contains two percent or less of corn syrup, leavening [baking soda, yeast], malt extract, dextrose, soy lecithin), all adding up to 60 calories in a 5-cracker "serving."
I just don't see any real evidence that fear of soy lecithin or even IBHQ has done much to slow the market for soda crackers.
Robin Garr wrote:Peter May wrote:Better would be making it legal to put such information on wine labels - i.e. making it optional. As well as allowing winelabels to have information on teh postive effects of drinking wine.
I wouldn't really object to this approach, Peter, but I'm not sure I understand why the industry is so dead-set against it.
I would turn things around and argue it like this: The strongest argument I can think of to get in the alcohol-fascists' faces is that wine is a food beverage. Wine (and beer) are in fact historic foodstuffs, healthful in moderation and very much a part of the mealtime experience since the Bronze Age or before. Separating them out from food is bad. Including them in with food is good.
But foodstuffs ARE subject to ingredient labeling. If wine is food, then we shouldn't resist it being treated as food for regulatory purposes. That's far better than the current practice of having it singled out for special attention alongside tobacco and firearms, as we do in the US.
This is a change that it's fair to embrace, it seems to me.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34368
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
JCollins wrote:Well said! Wine is most certainly food and as with most foods, if consumed in moderation is quite healthy for you.
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
3812
Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
JCollins wrote: I seriously do not believe that wine consumers believe that wine is only a product of grape juice and yeast. .
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34368
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Peter May wrote:JCollins wrote: I seriously do not believe that wine consumers believe that wine is only a product of grape juice and yeast. .
What do you think are the ingredients?
Peter May wrote:JCollins wrote: I seriously do not believe that wine consumers believe that wine is only a product of grape juice and yeast. .
What do you think are the ingredients?
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34368
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
JCollins wrote:
As I am sure you well know, wines include various treating and fining materials which if ingredient listing were required would have to be disclosed to the consumer.
David M. Bueker wrote:JCollins wrote:
As I am sure you well know, wines include various treating and fining materials which if ingredient listing were required would have to be disclosed to the consumer.
"J",
The thing that keeps getting me is the "tone" of your posts, as if there is some level of a cover up in the wine industry. Even your use of "would have to be disclosed to the consumer" implies that you think they are hiding something.
I just have to ask if you have some additional agenda beyond dieting.
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
34368
Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
JCollins wrote:As I am sure you well know, wines include various treating and fining materials which if ingredient listing were required would have to be disclosed to the consumer.
Peter May
Pinotage Advocate
3812
Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:24 am
Snorbens, England
JCollins wrote:Peter May wrote:JCollins wrote: I seriously do not believe that wine consumers believe that wine is only a product of grape juice and yeast. .
What do you think are the ingredients?
As I am sure you well know, wines include various treating and fining materials which if ingredient listing were required would have to be disclosed to the consumer.
Jon Peterson
The Court Winer
2981
Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:53 pm
The Blue Crab State
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
11420
Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
He has had reactions in the past we can only assume were as a result of the fining agents used.
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