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Redwinger
Wine guru
4038
Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:36 pm
Way Down South In Indiana, USA
Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
6389
Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
I would assume he means the wine is without technical flaws, such as VA, oxidation, metalic or off tastes, brett, cloudy, etc. Such wines win awards in competitions.Redwinger wrote:I was just reading a note on a wine (not here so don't look for it) where the author came down very hard on a wine...syrupy, baby fat, globby, not food friendly, etc. He really painted an awful picture of this wine, but concluded that it was a well made wine. I'm having trouble reconciling all this. He'p me out.
'Winger
Redwinger wrote:I was just reading a note on a wine (not here so don't look for it) where the author came down very hard on a wine...syrupy, baby fat, globby, not food friendly, etc. He really painted an awful picture of this wine, but concluded that it was a well made wine. I'm having trouble reconciling all this. He'p me out.
'Winger
Robin Garr wrote:I can recall writing fairly negative TNs based on style, then feeling an obligation to mention that the wine, although not to my liking, was technically sound.
Bernard Roth wrote:Usually, when I read such ambiguous or backhanded comments, I asked the person who wrote them to elaborate.
Bernard Roth wrote:Frankly, that kind of remark ("well made wine") strikes me as naive.
Usually, when I read such ambiguous or backhanded comments, I asked the person who wrote them to elaborate.
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
11175
Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Dale Williams wrote:I might use the term if I think it's exactly what the winemaker intended. I think most Gajas, Perrot-Minots, modern Pape-Clements, etc are well-made wines. The winemaker achieved what he/she aimed for. Sometimes what they aim for isn't my ideal.
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
11175
Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Thomas wrote:Dale Williams wrote:I might use the term if I think it's exactly what the winemaker intended//// Gajas, Perrot-Minots, modern Pape-Clements.
Dale,
What criterion or criteria do you use to determine what the winemaker intended?
Dale Williams wrote:Thomas wrote:Dale Williams wrote:I might use the term if I think it's exactly what the winemaker intended//// Gajas, Perrot-Minots, modern Pape-Clements.
Dale,
What criterion or criteria do you use to determine what the winemaker intended?
I might think it's what the winemaker intended if it is consistent what with they have achieved (and seemed happy with) in the past. Angelo Gaja has a particular style, and a Sperss that is in that style is probably what he intended,even if it might not my favorite style. Dominique Laurent's wines (at least 1ers and up in 90s) were too oaky for me, but only an idiot would think it was accidental.
Bernard Roth wrote:Saying a disagreeable wine is well-made is like saying that Puccini is a competent operatic composer - such technical prowess matters not if one's ear cannot tolerate the extreme vibrato of a soprano voice.
Anders Källberg
Wine guru
805
Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:48 am
Stockholm, Sweden
Anders Källberg wrote:When I read "a well made wine" and, in fact, often when I use it to describe a wine myself too, I get a slightly negative feeling, as if expecting it to be followed by something like: "but lacking much interest". That association is even stronger if the word "technically" is added before the expression. Again, this might reflect my personal interests in wines with individuality and character. Of course also very good wines can be technically very well made, but I don't tend to use such an expression for those wines.
Cheers,
Anders
Howie Hart
The Hart of Buffalo
6389
Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:13 pm
Niagara Falls, NY
Thomas wrote:... If I had to write about my impression of Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday (the jazz singers)....
Jenise
FLDG Dishwasher
42725
Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:45 pm
The Pacific Northest Westest
Mike Jacobs wrote:Hi all-
Wine noob here.
This sounds like a thread I was reading regarding MollyDookers...
Can someone define fat/baby fat?
Thanks in advance,
Mike-
Howie Hart wrote:Thomas wrote:... If I had to write about my impression of Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday (the jazz singers)....
Thomas - here are two links. Both are versions of Summertime. The first is by Ella, the second is Billie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yKgAEkCKxY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5ddqniqxFM
Anders Källberg
Wine guru
805
Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:48 am
Stockholm, Sweden
Thomas wrote:
To my ears, those two illustrate exactly what I mean. Billie's singing expresses a longing; Ella's says, "don't I sound nice?" Billie's voice dances atop the music under it; Ella's blends with the orchestra.
Of course, I'm looking for all that to be the case...
Anders Källberg wrote:
PS. BTW, is there no one else but me that gets any negative vibrations from the phrase "well made wine"?
Anders Källberg
Wine guru
805
Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:48 am
Stockholm, Sweden
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