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Russell Mann wrote:Apparently in the book [Sideways], the 61 Cheval Blanc was actually a Petrus, which is of course 95-100% Merlot in any given year.

Welcome, Russell.

Thought I'd clear up the issue of the special wine in Sideways. In the book it's a 1982 Latour. Miles shares it with Jack in a restaurant - no fast food and styrofoam cup. The book (I read it on a flight before the movie was out) is substantially different from the movie in a number of ways; it's much more of a black comedy.

Dear Steve,

Thanks for the clarification. Isn't the Latour mostly Cab Sauv? That might make the symbolism break down.

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You obviously have a very different idea than I do about what constitutes 'cheap'!

I know a lot of people here have a very low opinion of wine rankings based on points. However, I think they're useful for comparing similar wines.

Based on that, it's interesting to compare the rankings of domestic Pinot Noir and Burgundy compared with price.

Issue #34 of QPR Wines (now Wine Blue Book) was red Burgundy. Issue #37 was Pinot Noir.

At 97 points, average price for the two Burgundies listed was $1160. The only Pinot Noir at that level was priced at $360.

At 96 points, Burg average was $952, PN was $155.

95 points, B $443, PN $250.

94, B $367, PN $197.

The trend continues down the line.

My conclusion is that for comparably ranked wines, non-Burgundy PN's are still significantly less expensive on average than Burgundies. Willamette Valley Vineyards in particular appears to be priced lower than the average of comparably ranked wines, but there are far better values.

So what's it all mean? I dunno. If you prefer the taste of Burgundy, you'll no doubt prefer a lower-ranked Burg to a more highly ranked PN, and the prices may well be comparable. Shop around in either category, and there are some great values to be found.

For me, the best wine I ever tasted was from Gevrey-Chambertin, but I have had some real dogs from France in general and Burgundy in particular. In general, I find US wines to be more consistent, at least in my price range.

Bob Parsons Alberta. wrote:Welcome, now we need to find someone from Montana!!! I am up here in Alberta and they all know me as Doris!!

This has nothing to do with his choice of clothing, of course!

Russell Mann wrote:Isn't the Latour mostly Cab Sauv? That might make the symbolism break down.

I think Latour is mainly Cabernet Sauvignon, yes. As for the symbolism, I've always assumed it was meant as an inside joke by the director of the movie. While it might have been meant to undercut Miles, I don't think most of the audience would have enough knowledge to get that. Hence I think the director would have done something more pointed if that were his intent.

Isaac wrote:You obviously have a very different idea than I do about what constitutes 'cheap'!

Is there a notation for sarcasm on this board?

Sarcastic?

Moi?

Isaac, I think Russell would have liked to put a sarcasm symbol next to HIS post, not yours.
Wow, 8 contributors to this thread who "just got here." Welcom Ray, RP, Joe, Lee, Shawn, Tony, Paula and Russell!!!!! Did I miss anyone. Anyway, welcome to the friendliest wine board on the net, and the eight of you will make it all the more interesting.
I fall with the majority who love the grape when it is well done, am inclined toward the burgundy style, but unfortunately don't have the time or the money to really learn it. So what's the alternative? What can take the place of burgundian style pinot?
Obviously, nothing. But as a wine one would drink on a daily basis where Pinot would be first choice but for expense, a wine that would be interesting and less than $20, where does one go? For me, it is rioja and/or southern rhone, or even, gasp, a white wine. And, of course, I keep looking for that $12 pinot treasure that no one has found yet, but ultimately go back to a cotes-du-rhone village, or a rioja. So if good pinot is too expensive, what do YOU use as a substitute?

I'm not picky. I'll enjoy anything that tastes good. Good gin martini's, single malt scotch, Trappist beer, Cabs, Zins, blends, Italians, French, whatever. Just something that tastes good

I might use a Beaujolais Villages or Cru Beaujolais as a stand in for Burgundy.

I agree with the Cru BJ, but only in the good years (05 is a good year). Morgon and Moulin-A-Vent are our favorites, but they still can't top a nice Oregon PN.

We have two wine chillers, a smaller one for the daily drinkers, and a larger one for the good stuff. And there's no shortage here of nice under $20 everyday wines. But I would not generalize and say that any varietal and region would be a good choice. At the lower end of the market, there are far too many wines where more was spent on the label with the animal picture than the actual wine.

With the heat going full blast, we tend toward the whites these days for daily drinking. A couple we've enjoyed lately:

05 A to Z Oregon Pinot Blanc ($13 at a small local liquor store)
06 Robert Hall Paso Robles Sauv Blanc ($12 at Whole Foods)