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Napa Malbec?

by Brian K Miller » Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:58 am

2010 James Cole Winery (Stags Leap District) Malbec.

Inky black color. BUT: Surprisingly lithe, with a high tone and plenty of palate cleansing acid. Dark berry fruit...maybe a touch of blueberry???? Oak not dominant at all...this is all about the acid. Juicy. Went very well with beef ribs, actually! Way too expensive to buy a lot of, but I have always been impressed with this winery's Malbecs!
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Re: Napa Malbec?

by Tom NJ » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:07 am

What did they charge you for this, Brian?
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by Jenise » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:29 am

Interesting; don't think I've ever had a California malbec. Lots is being grown up here, but most don't compete with the Argentines for either quality or value, so I wonder why they bother. But they do.
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Re: Napa Malbec?

by Brian K Miller » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:01 pm

Tom NJ wrote:What did they charge you for this, Brian?


I'm too embarrassed to admit what I paid for this, Tom. :oops: New winery property, fancy stone building, prime Stags Leap location. You pay for the real estate and architecture and very slick (although somewhat "odd" affect) staff!) :twisted:

My...."financial management" life skills are pretty much "failure". :oops: :shock:

High End Napa Cab pricing, basically ($50++). But the thing is...I really liked this wine, and I don't like very many Argentinean malbecs, to be honest.
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Re: Napa Malbec?

by David M. Bueker » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:14 pm

Lagier Meredith makes a Malbec. It is very good, but not inexpensive. They also do a version under the Chester's Anvil line up that is a partnership with Pott wines. Also good. Also not cheap.
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by Jenise » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:42 pm

Brian K Miller wrote:But the thing is...I really liked this wine, and I don't like very many Argentinean malbecs, to be honest.


Me neither, especially at under $15 level. But I have had a few head-turners in the $20+ range.
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Re: Napa Malbec?

by Brian K Miller » Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:59 pm

Jenise wrote:
Brian K Miller wrote:But the thing is...I really liked this wine, and I don't like very many Argentinean malbecs, to be honest.


Me neither, especially at under $15 level. But I have had a few head-turners in the $20+ range.


They often taste goopy, and there is too often that slick texture that says "oak chips" to me. :shock:
This wine had nice "cut", and I am seriously pro-acid, so.... Second vintage I have tried, so they know what they are doing with Malbec.

I do like Achval Ferrar, but those wines can be as expensive (or MORE) than the Napa one!
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by TomHill » Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:04 pm

Jenise wrote:Interesting; don't think I've ever had a California malbec. Lots is being grown up here, but most don't compete with the Argentines for either quality or value, so I wonder why they bother. But they do.


The L-M and the Chester'sAnvil Malbecs are priced around $40. Which I think is pretty reasonable given Napa Cabernet pricing. Especially given that they're
some of the best Malbecs I've ever had.
I've had the Reustle/UmpquaVlly Malbec that I was pretty impressed with.

As for Argentine Malbecs, I've yet to have one that really impressed. The sub-$20 ones have that coarse/earthy/sour character I associate
w/ SA reds. The high-end ones tend to have way too much oak. Not a genre I can bring myself to love. But I keep trying.
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Re: Napa Malbec?

by Tom NJ » Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:05 pm

Brian K Miller wrote:I'm too embarrassed to admit what I paid for this, Tom...High End Napa Cab pricing, basically ($50++). But the thing is...I really liked this wine, and I don't like very many Argentinean malbecs, to be honest.


Lol. No one should ever feel bad about indulging in a hobby, or need to justify the expenses therein (assuming the spouse doesn't find out :mrgreen: ) If you got it, go for it! Wallow, baby!

Oh, and like you - and I've never admitted this before, because around here it's like saying you're really a Franzia drinker - I've never had an Argentinean malbec I've enjoyed. Ever. There, I've said it.

Gosh...I feel so much lighter now!
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Re: Napa Malbec?

by Brian K Miller » Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:37 pm

Tom NJ wrote:
Oh, and like you - and I've never admitted this before, because around here it's like saying you're really a Franzia drinker - I've never had an Argentinean malbec I've enjoyed. Ever. There, I've said it.

Gosh...I feel so much lighter now!


I don't know...I don't think Argentinean Malbec gets a lot of good reviews around here. :wink:
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Re: Napa Malbec?

by David M. Bueker » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:34 pm

On my trip to Argentina in 2010 I enjoyed a number of Malbecs. The ones I drank there were not as rich/high octane as the ones I have had here in the USA.
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Re: Well.....

by Jenise » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:43 am

TomHill wrote:As for Argentine Malbecs, I've yet to have one that really impressed. The sub-$20 ones have that coarse/earthy/sour character I associate
w/ SA reds. The high-end ones tend to have way too much oak. Not a genre I can bring myself to love. But I keep trying.
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My opinion was like yours for many years, and the wines I had to sample and choose from to do neighborhood tastings when people asked for Argentinian malbecs only solidified my stance. But more recently, we did a 'shootout' of three WA vs. three Argentines, all well regarded by critics, and it was no contest. The Argentines were way out in front--moderate alcohol, good fruit and structure, not plagued by too much oak--and they averaged $8-12 lower cost though cost didn't figure into my preferences, it was just a bonus. Forced me to change my mind or at least admit that there were better wines there than I had realized, and I didn't think that could happen. I could actually see myself buying some for our cellar (though I never got around to it).
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