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Re: Wine Value - It's not a focus it's a way of life!

Postby Tim York » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:07 pm

I seem to be making most of the posts here. I guess that is because France where I now live provides so many characterful wines at accessible (here) prices.

Arbois Chardonnay "En Chante Merle" 2010 - Régine & Jean Rijckaert - Alc.13% -(c.€10)

The most striking thing about this wine was its bouquet which was a bright medley of passion fruit, white flowers and minerals. The same elements carried through onto the medium bodied palate with a laser like precision and were underpinned by an excellent balance of crisp acidity and round "gras" with hints of honey towards the finish. There was no sign of oxidative wine-making which was once very prevalent in the Jura region. In the past, I have found some of Rijckaert's wines, especially from the Mâconnais, somewhat let down by excessively caramelised finishes and also by poor ageing under Nomacorc closures, but neither of those applied here. Very good. QPR! and I'll buy more if not sold out.

A word of warning to those seeking a varietal Chard. The operative word here is Arbois and the result bears no resemblance to the creamy, tropically fruited, slightly sweet, high alcohol and often heavily oaked varietal Chards from warmer climates.
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Re: Wine Value - It's not a focus it's a way of life!

Postby Bob Parsons Alberta » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:26 pm

Always appreciate your posts Tim. As you are aware, prices here in AB are so high that is extremely difficult to find anything that fits this wine focus. Plus I have really cut back on buying of late as i have too much in the cellar already :) .
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Re: Wine Value - It's not a focus it's a way of life!

Postby Tim York » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:42 pm

Bob Parsons Alberta wrote: Plus I have really cut back on buying of late as i have too much in the cellar already :) .


Bob, logically that should apply to me too as I have over 1000 bottles in my cellar. But most of these are 10+ years old and I have a hankering for younger brighter wines with new flavours........ :roll:
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Re: Wine Value - It's not a focus it's a way of life!

Postby Jenise » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:12 pm

2013 Scaia Garganega/Chardonnay blend
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$11 locally here in Washington

Killer blend of two good grapes with melon, apple and white grapefruit notes. Great balance and lively acidity, and more body than you usually associate with garganega (the Soave grape). Had it in a restaurant where I had no idea of shelf price and was blown away when I found it in a local shop for so little--I took all they had.
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Chateau dela Presle Sauvignon

Postby Dan Smothergill » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:34 am

I've been buying this Loire wine for however many years and am always surprised at how good it is. The Sauvignon taste is subtle lemony rather than grapefruit and very refreshing. At $10 in Rochester, NY it makes me wonder why I keep trying those unknown wines at twice the price that are rarely as good and too often disappointing.
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Pecorino - The Wine

Postby Dan Smothergill » Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:43 pm

The name of a well - known Italian cheese from sheep's milk, Pecorino is also an indigenous Italian grape that nearly became extinct. Rescued by Guido Cocci Grifone in the Marche in the 1980's, he grafted it onto American rootstock and propogated it. High in both sugar and acid, the grape makes a delightful white wine with big mouth feel and a taste of almonds. Apart from the mouth feel, it reminds me of the Friulano from Northeast Italy. The perfumey nose of the 2012 Saladini Pilastri Pecorino could be ratched down a notch or two. Otherwise, it's a terrific buy at $10 at Premier in Buffalo.
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Re: Wine Value - It's not a focus it's a way of life!

Postby Jenise » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:48 pm

Dan, I've had pecorino and remember liking it quite a bit. Like so many good Italian whites, I wonder why no one grows it here.

Can contribute a surprising vote (from me, who is not so into reisling) for the 2012 Chateau Ste Michelle Dry Reisling. I've had it before here and there, liked it okay but never been a buyer, but I'm going back for more of this. The 2012 is absolutely delicious--ripping acidity, great body, terrific minerality and dry, dry, dry. Here's the best compliment I can pay it: it doesn't even taste American. Nor does it taste German, in fact blind I might have guessed Italy. It's a stunner.
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Re: Wine Value - It's not a focus it's a way of life!

Postby Tim York » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:01 am

I complained in passing in another thread that French wine press recommendations disappear quickly from Foire aux Vins shelves but nevertheless I have picked up a decent selection of bottles in the 5-10€ range at Carrefour and Intermarché.

Here is a sample-

Touraine Gamay 1ère Vendange Marionnet
Palette (tiny appellation near Aix-en-Provence) Ch.Bonnaud (famous Ch.Simone cost 3x this)
Jura Chard Sarres - Rijckaert
Cahors Chapelle du Closs - Triguedina
Fleurie la Madone - Dom.la Madone
Morgon - Souchon
Savoie Chignin-Bergeron - Fils R.Quénard
St.Nic.Bourgueil Mélanie - Taluau
Bergerac Tour des Gendres Primo de Conti
Saumur-Champigny Terrages - R-N Legrand (a favourite domaine of mine)
C. Languedoc Montpeyroux C. Truffières - Aupilhac

Super U and Leclerc whose Foires have not yet opened also seem to have some interesting offers :wink: . Best appears to be Auchan but there is no nearby branch :( .

Some of these will surely be good enough for me to post a TN here in due course.
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Re: Wine Value - It's not a focus it's a way of life!

Postby Jenise » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:24 am

Speaking of wine values, I'm doing a zinfandel tasting next Friday (the nabe group), and I promised ALL zinfandel, which means four or five inexpensive self-pour wines and six more serious versions to sit down to. The self-pours are usually white, but because there have historically been a lot of good values in the $10ish category I decided to keep it all zinfandel this time, although as the advertisement said "No white zin or Jenise quits." So Bob and I opened two potentials, a Ravenswood Lodi Old Vines and a Rancho Zabaco (a Gallo label), the other night for a little palate calibration. Egads. The Zabaco is extra sweet and polished, almost artificial tasting, and 15.2% to boot, and the Ravenswood tastes like bug spray. These are not the good, inexpensive zinfandels I remember. Were they really there or am I just dreaming?

If anyone knows of any zin under $13 that would be worth me looking for, I'd love to hear from you!
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Re: Wine Value - It's not a focus it's a way of life!

Postby Doug Surplus » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:45 pm

Jenise, I've found the Zins in that price range to be wildly inconsistent. For example, Gnarly Head - had a couple of really good bottles several years back, but then later vintages were sweet and bland. I remember Rancho Zabaco as pretty good for a while also, but again, after that, not so good. Closer to $20 you can get Dry Creek Heritage Vines which TomHill recommended - I found it rather drinkable myself.
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Re: Wine Value - It's not a focus it's a way of life!

Postby Jenise » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:43 am

Doug, at $20, that's a candidate for the sit-down end of the tasting, a category that's been easy to fill; what's giving me fits is the quaffers for which the price needs to be under $13. I haven't found a decent quaffer yet: tonight I can also rule out Zinopolis, Viano and Parkers Street (whoever they are). But thanks for confirming my recollections which are very similar to yours, that there WAS a day when the Zabaco was a decent QPR wine, for instance. Isn't now.
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