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WTN: Birthdays

by Saina » Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:38 pm

My sister turned the ripe old age of 20. She likes Riesling but doesn't like even slightly sweet ones - weird girl. So I took over a Trimbach Cuvée Frédéric Emile 1999 which was really nice. It was too young, but it did have a nice deep, lemony, mineral nose that was elegantly austere. The palate was also nicely austere with the fruit a bit shy at the moment. It isn't the greatest CFE ever made, but it is a perfectly acceptable one.

Today Finland turned into an 89 YO youngster. To celebrate, Suvi and I met up with a couple friends and opened up a couple interesting bottles.

Palacios Pétalos del Bierzo 2005 was a youthful wine, very ripe and fruity, but not over the top. It had some nice vegetal and earthy aromas also. The palate was very primary but accessible now. A nice wine that I'll be buying again. Palacios's Bierzos tend to be utterly spoofulated, but the basic Pétalos seems to be pretty fine stuff.

We had another Spanish 2001 also, but I wasn't paying attention to the bottle. A pity, as it was red berried, a bit bretty, unspoofulated and not too sweet. Quite a nice drop, though simple, and were the price right I might buy a couple for when a casual drop is needed. I'll edit, if I ever find out what it was. I used to take notes much more diligently. Sorry.

Tyrell Riesling QbA 1997 AP303/4/98 10,5% was sent to me by French and Logan - a very nice German Riesling specialist in England. Mr. Logan told me this is the best QbA he's ever tasted. I'm not sure if it's the best ever, but it is a bloody brilliant one! Tyrells own Karthäuserhof, but it doesn't say Karthäuserhof on the label. Why not?

Well, the nose is typical Ruwer in its floral and pleasantly austere steely notes but it also has some passionfruit. The palate is pleasantly tart, light, a little sweet with nice fruit. Amazingly intense and complex for a QbA. Interminable aftertaste. Maybe Mr. Logan was right - it might just be the best QbA I've tasted also. Bloody brilliant.

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Re: WTN: Birthdays

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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by James Roscoe » Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:57 pm

Happy Birthday to your sister! Does she have a name or is she to be henceforth known as Otto's sister? At least Suvi has gotten out of being Otto's girlfriend. Nice notes as always.
Yes, and how many deaths will it take 'til he knows
That too many people have died?
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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by Howie Hart » Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:03 am

Happy birthday Finland! :D
Happy birthday to your sister! :D
My youngest son just celebrated his 21st birthday in Mosul with near beer and sparkling grape juice. :?
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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by Saina » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:29 pm

James Roscoe wrote:Happy Birthday to your sister! Does she have a name or is she to be henceforth known as Otto's sister? At least Suvi has gotten out of being Otto's girlfriend. Nice notes as always.


Anonymity rocks.

Howie Hart wrote:Happy birthday Finland! :D
Happy birthday to your sister! :D
My youngest son just celebrated his 21st birthday in Mosul with near beer and sparkling grape juice. :?


I'd love to visit Niniveh. I hope your son is safe.
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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by James Roscoe » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:22 pm

Anonimity never rocks. But I guess it's all about Otto! :lol:

My map in my classroom says Nineveh. Why the different spellings? Is it my old map (1960s)? A friend of mine was stationed near Babylon. If I can locate the pictures he sent I will forward them to you if you'd like to see them.

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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by Saina » Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:24 pm

James Roscoe wrote:My map in my classroom says Nineveh. Why the different spellings?


The original Akkadian is Nínua. This plus the name used in the Bible and the researchers trying to fit the name into their own languages' orthographical systems makes for very varied spellings.

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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by Howie Hart » Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:33 pm

I was watching a show on the History Channel last night about the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World. Since nobody has been able to find any trace of the Hanging Gardens in Babylon some archeologists now think they were actually in Nineveh. :?
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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by James Roscoe » Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:32 pm

Howie Hart wrote:I was watching a show on the History Channel last night about the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World. Since nobody has been able to find any trace of the Hanging Gardens in Babylon some archeologists now think they were actually in Nineveh. :?


Howie, I have a book here that implies the German archaeologist Robert Koldewey discovered the foundations of the Hanging Gardens in Babylon during his excavations between 1899 and 1917. How did the show explain that? I've seen shows on the History Channel describing the Hanging Gardens of Babylon in great detail. I guess I should have been watching the History Channel instead of reading the WLDG.
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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by Saina » Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:31 am

Howie Hart wrote:I was watching a show on the History Channel last night about the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World. Since nobody has been able to find any trace of the Hanging Gardens in Babylon some archeologists now think they were actually in Nineveh. :?


Was that the show with Oxford Professor Stephanie Dalley? I saw that once. Fun enterntainment. I always took the story to be just one of Herodotus's fancies and that the truth behind the story was really just the elaborate canal systems that were used to irrigate the crops. But it's all conjecture since there are no actual remains of anything that could be such a construction and no primary texts talking about it.
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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by Howie Hart » Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:16 am

Actually, I was watching the Buffalo Sabres hockey game and flipping to the History Channel between periods, so I missed the beginning, but they did mention aquaducts and not irrigation canals. I'll keep my eyes open to see if they repeat it.
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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by James Roscoe » Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:50 pm

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Howie Hart wrote:I was watching a show on the History Channel last night about the 7 Wonders of the Ancient World. Since nobody has been able to find any trace of the Hanging Gardens in Babylon some archeologists now think they were actually in Nineveh. :?


Was that the show with Oxford Professor Stephanie Dalley? I saw that once. Fun enterntainment. I always took the story to be just one of Herodotus's fancies and that the truth behind the story was really just the elaborate canal systems that were used to irrigate the crops. But it's all conjecture since there are no actual remains of anything that could be such a construction and no primary texts talking about it.


But what about the German excavations in the early 20th century? My books, all pretty elementary I'll admit, say they claimed to discover the hanging gardens. I would also be careful about dismissing Herodatus in such a cavalier manner. Every time someone says one of his stories is a myth, another person finds evidence that he had a factual basis.
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That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind
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Re: WTN: Birthdays

by Saina » Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:39 pm

James Roscoe wrote:But what about the German excavations in the early 20th century? My books, all pretty elementary I'll admit, say they claimed to discover the hanging gardens. I would also be careful about dismissing Herodatus in such a cavalier manner. Every time someone says one of his stories is a myth, another person finds evidence that he had a factual basis.


I don't have the books at hand, but it seems to me that many of the early "archaeologists" first of all knew nothing of the methodology of archaeology and secondly their premises were that they should find things to corroborate with the Bible and Herodotus.

It is true that some things that Herodotus wrote have been proven right - but I would still say that he is not only the father of History, but of Lies as well.

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