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Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby wrcstl » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:18 am

I am condsidering purchasing some more '01 Bordeaux and would like to know if anyone has experience with these wines. If you are really into the '01 vintage how would you rate these if they all cost the same?

Leoville Poyferre
Lascombs
Calon Segur
Branaire Ducru
Bon Pasteur

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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby David M. Bueker » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:37 am

Walt,

I have tried all of them, and consider the Branaire and Lascombes the pick of the litter. Bon Pasteur is good as well. I thought Calon very tannic for its fruit. Poyferre is good as well, but I thought I remembered you not favoring their newer style (which would rule out Lascombes and Bon Pasteur as well).
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby wrcstl » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:41 am

David M. Bueker wrote:Walt,

I have tried all of them, and consider the Branaire and Lascombes the pick of the litter. Bon Pasteur is good as well. I thought Calon very tannic for its fruit. Poyferre is good as well, but I thought I remembered you not favoring their newer style (which would rule out Lascombes and Bon Pasteur as well).


David,
Thanks, I knew the Bon Pasteur would be a little goopy but didn't expect that of the Lascombs. Love Calon Segur but at 59 don't know if I can wait that long. Just had their '82 that was similarly hard early and it was fantastic after waking up from a 20 year sleep.
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby David Creighton » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:24 am

i believe i've tasted all but the bon pasteur at one sitting; but will have to check my notes later. i know i bought the branaire and the poyferre. by tastes run to traditional claret style - not the modern ripe and oaky style. the fellow who made this wine at branaire is now winemaker at mouton - if that means anything.
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby Dale Williams » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:46 am

I can't remember tasting the Calon-Segur or Lascombes (but have had '00 & '02 of both). I liked the Poyferre and Branaire, but didn't really think the Bon Pasteur was worth the tariff (though I actually like Right Bank a bit more in '01).

For my tastes none of these would really be considered traditional, Calon-Segur is probaby the most traditional, but it and the Branaire are probably best described as moderates. I think the other three are modern styled Bdx by any standard -I would bet the Lascombes, Bon Pasteur, and Poyferre all see 100% new oak, and all are really ripe.
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby David M. Bueker » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:30 pm

2000 was the first year of modernization at Lascombes, but '01 was the first year it really took hold. Lascombes is now a full modern chateau.
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby wrcstl » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:19 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:2000 was the first year of modernization at Lascombes, but '01 was the first year it really took hold. Lascombes is now a full modern chateau.


That sucks. I still have some of their '70 and it is drinking very well.
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby Otto » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:46 pm

Can't add anything much, but I've had the Poyferré and the Lascombes. Both were IMO travesties of Bordeaux - utterly spoofed both of them. I'd steer clear of them if you want traditional Claret.
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby David Creighton » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:41 am

found my notes and had not tasted either bon pasteur or calon segur. was not impressed with the lascombes: "very rich nose. fairly tannic and substantial but not as attractive as some others. overdone?" i stick by my support of poyferre as a traditionally styled claret - the only kind i like. " super nose! Just lovely! complete. soft and long and complex."
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby wrcstl » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:27 am

Thanks to all. I ended up going after the Calon Segur (think I will live long enough) and the Branairre Ducru. Don't want any of those "spoofified" wines. Actuallyl have a few bottles of '01 Poyferre in the cellar and decided against anymore since there seems to be a change in style.
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby Otto » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:34 pm

creightond wrote: i stick by my support of poyferre as a traditionally styled claret - the only kind i like. " super nose! Just lovely! complete. soft and long and complex."


It's strange how this wine tends to divide drinkers: some like me thinking it utterly spoofed others thinking it traditional. Very odd wine. It would be fun to do a tasting of Léo-Spooferré with the new and old pre-spoof vintages on show. I think I might just arrange such a tasting...
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Re: Q: Anyone tried these '01 Bordeaux

Postby James Roscoe » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:59 pm

Otto Nieminen wrote:
creightond wrote: i stick by my support of poyferre as a traditionally styled claret - the only kind i like. " super nose! Just lovely! complete. soft and long and complex."


It's strange how this wine tends to divide drinkers: some like me thinking it utterly spoofed others thinking it traditional. Very odd wine. It would be fun to do a tasting of Léo-Spooferré with the new and old pre-spoof vintages on show. I think I might just arrange such a tasting...


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