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WTN: Inaugural NAP...(very long/boring)

by TomHill » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:54 pm

Inaugural NAP (Nebbiolo Advocates & Producers) GetToGether (8/19/09)
Nebbiolo is a grape that absolutely perplexes me. DarrellCorti steered me to some that I really liked
back in the early '70's, when I first fell in love w/ the grape. Sometimes I wonder if I didn't like those
Piedmonte Nebbs because I knew I was supposed to like them...that it was recognized as one of the world's
great wines and , therefore, if'n I was to have any wine cred, I, too, must like them.
Since then, it's sorta developed into a love/hate relationship...heavily weighted towards the "hate"
part of the spectrum. I describe drinking Piedmonte Nebbiolo as stuffing lilac petals up one nostril, violet
petals up the other nostril, sealing both nostrils with a plug of hot tar; then sticking your tongue out
betwixt the jaws of a vise and torquing that sucker down...there's some pleasurable things going on, but
it also involves a lot of pain. I just don't get (most of the time) those wines. But my whining is always
dismissed by those who love those wines as I just don't try the right producer, or that I just drink them
too young. But I've had plenty of old Baroli that have this beautiful/complex slight tarry/floral/dried
rose petal fragrance and I still find them hurtey on the palate from the acids and the dried-out tannins.
I try some of the young Piedmonte Nebbs, made in a modern style for earlier drinking. Same reaction...
I love the lovely fragrance of the grape...but they still hurt on the palate. But, then.....every once in
awhile, I'll get that rare Piedmonte Nebb that has it all together and I'm blown away by the variety
and I understand, once again, why I love Nebbiolo and I want to try more. Sorta like a moth being drawn
to a fire.
As I followed Calif wines over the yrs, I came to the opinion that, because of its superior climate,
they can, eventually, make better wines (for my palate) from the same grape variety then any of their
old-world counterparts. Happened w/ Cabernet...Zinfandel...maybe Chardonnay...PinotNoir...Syrah..
Grenache...not Riesling, yet...not GWT, yet. So...surely...they can do it with Nebbiolo.
I've followed Calif Nebb from the very start. When NickMartin made that first one from CentralVlly
grapes at MartinBros (now Martin & Wyerich) in PasoRobles. 'Twarn't much of a Nebbiolo. But he had this
vision for Calif Nebbiolo. Till then, they only had planted in Calif the NebbioloFino, not much of a clone.
Nick planted the first Nebbiolo Michet and made his first wine from it, EastSide Paso, in 1986. Nothing
great...but actually pretty good and gave a glimpse of what Nebb could do out there. Next was probably
DaveCaparone, there in Paso. The grapes may have been good...but flawed by inept winemaking.
The next real milestone for Nebb in Calif was when TomStolpman planted Nebb in his vnyd in SantaYnezVlly,
for gawd-knows whatever reason. From those grapes have come some of the first really good Calif Nebbs;
first from SteveClifton under his Palmina label, and then SashiMoorman at Stolpman. I think there are
some other plantings that Steve draws Nebb from as well. But these folks are probably the real pioneers
of great Nebbiolo in Calif.
Over the last few yrs, there's been sort of a quiet/below-the-radar growth of interest in Nebbiolo.
Some 6-7 yrs ago, I found out KenMusso was growing Nebb up on his ElDorado property just North of
Placerville. A few yrs ago, I also found out EmilioCastelli was growing Nebb in the GreenVlly area of
SonomaCnty. We did a visit to his property last year at this time.
This last year, I'd tried several of AdamLee's Nebbs and liked them. When I found out PaxMahle was
making Nebbiolo as well, I suggested to Emilio that it might be a good idea to get some of these producers
together and taste each other's Nebbs. He was all in favor of that, and so the idea of an Inagural NAP
mtg was hatched.
Invited was Adam&Diana Lee, their asst winemaker Ryan Zepaltas, Pax Mahle and his assistant, Ryan, KenMusso/
grower and winemaker at DueVigna, and Emilio. NateWeis/Antica winemaker at AtlasPeakVnyds of the Antinori's
operation, and a future Nebb producer, was also invited, but had to bow out at the last minute due to
two of his kid's illness. When I invited DarrellCorti to join us, he responded...."When are you people going
to give up". He was interested, but prior travel committments prevented his joining us. Since he had already
declared Nebbiolo a failure in Calif, RobertParker was NOT invited. As with Syrah, he'll probably come to
the party ten yrs after it started.
Pax agreed to host us at his WindGap wnry in downtown Forestville. With this core group, the Inagural
NAP get-together was launched. I have little doubt that NAP will grow in leaps&bounds and someday dwarf
ZAP is size. Tastings at FtMason, even, that will put VinExpo to shame. It will happen.
So we got together and did some serious tasting:
1. DueVigne ElDorado Dolcetto 2005: Dark color; strong grapey/plummyripe slight licorice/pungent attractive
nose; lush/ripe plummy/licorice/spicy attractive flavor; med.long lush/plummy/grapey/spicy finish w/
light tannins; loads of ripe/plummy character much like Mourvedre w/o the tannins; maybe Calif should
be focusing more on Dolcetto? Better than most Piedmonte versions I've had of late.
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2. Naked Lady Castelli Estate Nebbiolo 2005: Med.lighht color; attractive floral/violets/Nebb slight tarry/
pungent light toasty/smokey/oak very attractive nose; rather tannic/acid/hard strong floral/violets light
toasty/oak very slight brett light pungent/tarry flavor; med.long bit hard/tannic/acid strong floral/
violets/Nebb light tarry/pungent finish; needs more time; lots of classic Nebb aromatics.
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3. Novy StolpmanVnyd Nebbbiolo 2005: Med.color; light floral/lilacs somewhat pencilly/toasty/oak nose; tart
fairly smooth/textured some floral/violets some pencilly/oak light tannic flavor; med.long light floral/
violets some toasty/pencilly/oak slight tannic finish; speaks gently of Nebb but more like a Siduri
Pinot in style because of the oak.
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4. JeffPisoni StolpmanVnyd Nebbiolo 2006: Light color; very fragrant/perfumed floral/violets/spicy light
toasty/oak nose; tart/lean bit tannic/hard slight tarry/smokey/pungent rather floral/violets/lilacs
some toasty/oak flavor; med.long spicy/floral/lilacs/violets light toasty/oak bit hard/tannic finish;
needs some age; lots of floral almost-Pinotish character.
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5. Novy StolpmanVnyd Nebbiolo 2006: Fairly light color; somewhat tarry/pungent very light floral/lilacs
rather tight/closed nose; tart/lean/tannic slight floral/lilacs/tarry tight/shut-down flavor; med.long
tart/tannic/lean/hard lighht floral/lilacs very light tarry/licorice finish; mare angular & hard than
the '05 and seems somewhat tight & closed.
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7. DueVigna ElDorado Nebbiolo 2006: Med.light color; light toasty/oak/pencilly slight herbal/earthy fairly
floral/lilacs interesting nose; tart bit tannic light floral/lilacs light toasty/oak slight herbal/
earthy flavor; med.long light floral/lilacs/herbal/earthy/dusty bit hard/tannic finish; good Nebb
character and some of that earthy ElDorado terroir.
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8. WindGap GlenroseVnyd/PasoRobles Nebbiolo 2006: Med.color; very strong/fragrant/perfumed violets/floral/
Nebb very spicy almost Pinotish nose; tart bit lean/hard/tannic very floral/violets/spicy quite perfumey
flavor; very long very perfumed/floral/violets/lilacs some tannic/haard/tart finish; speaks loud & clear
of Nebbiolo w/ very perfumed/fragrant character; bright pretty Nebb.
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9. WindGap LunaMattaVnyd/PasoRobles (100% whole cluster) Nebbiolo 2007: Med.light color; bit more toasty/oak
strong floral/lilacs/perfumed/Nebb lovely nose; tart bit tannic/hard strong floral/lilacs/Nebb some low-
key toasty/oak flavor; very long lovely/floral/lilacs/Nebb light toasty/charred/oak some tannic/hard
finish; lovely expression of Nebbiolo; more base notes and less high-toned character than the '06.
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10. Novy StolpmanVnyd Nebbiolo 2007: Very light color; light floral/violets vey slight tarry/pungent some
tight/closed nose; softer light/floral/violets light tannic very slight pungent/tarry flavor; med.long
light floral/violets/aromatic somewhat softer light tannic finish; seems a bit tight & closed; lighter
more elegant expression of Nebb; quite a pretty wine but needs age.
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11. Novy StolpmanVnyd Nebbiolo 2008: Light color; strong blackberry/floral/lilacs/spicy almost Zin-like
fragrant/spicy nose; tart lush/grapey/floral/berry/lilacs bit hard/tannic flavor; long ripe/lush
floral/lilacs spicy/berry finish w/ some tannins; lots of lush fruit and almost Zin-like in character.
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12. WindGap Glenrose&LunaMatta/PasoRobles Nebbiolo 2007: Med.dark color; lovely floral/lilacs/berry/Nebb
very light toasty/oak almost Pinotish nose; tart bit tannic/hard bright/floral/violets somewhat cherry/
Pinotish very perfumed flavor; long bit hard/tannic tart pretty/bright/floral/violets/cherry finish;
needs more age; a very pretty/perfumed/fragrant almost Pinotish rendition of Nebb.
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13. WindGap Nebbiolo 2008: Med.color; much more floral/lilacs/violets/Nebb-like quite perfumed/aromatic
slight road tar/pungent nose; tart/hard/tannic very floral/perfumed/lilacs/violets/spicy light tarry/
pungent flavor; very long perfumed/floral/lilacs/violets/classic Nebb some hard/tannic finish; needs
more age; probably the most classic Nabb of Pax's Nebbs.
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And a wee BloodyPulpit:
1. AdamLee made some interesting comments as we sat around and chatted about Nebbiolo. I opined (as I am
wont to do) that Calif Nebb is going to be a tough sell...because those who buy it because it's a Calif
wine are going to be disappointed because of high acidity and tannins. And those who buy iit because it's
Nebbiolo are going to be disappointed because it's not a dead-ringer for Barolo. Adam suggested that it
might find it's niche in sales at Italian restaurants....that most lovers of Calif wines often eat at
Italian restaurants and they might want to drink something Californian...but with an Italian twist.
He also felt that with Nebbiolo there might be too much of an emphasis on the Nebb clones, much
as with PinotNoir, and not enough emphasis on things like rootstocks, growing, and the winemaking.
As we chatted, Adam looked around the room at this 2'nd wave of Calif winemakers who are working w/
Nebbiolo and opined that we may not be the Calif pioneers of Nebb, they may someday be viewed as the
winemakers who blazed the trail to making great Nebb in Calif. It always gives me the heeby-jeebies
when someone as young as Adam is already thinking about the legacy they will leave when they're gone
(I've already reconciled that my legacy is going to be a never-ending trail of //////////'s in
CyberSpace!!)
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2. I'd suggested to Emilio that maybe I should have had some T-shirts made up for this event, with all
their names listed on the back, like we get at fencing tournaments. And on the front would be this
drawing of a lil' ole winemaker beating his head against the side of a cask...in frustration.
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3. AdamLee expressed an interest in getting another NAP scheduled in a year, but not so close to crush
so we'd have a more relaxed event. I'm all for that.
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4. Pisoni: This unlabeled btl was a mystery wine brought by AdamLee. It was made by JeffPisoni at Adam's
wnry from some of the Stolpman fruit he got. Never before tasted in public, according to Adam.
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5. CalifNebb: So...what's the state of Calif Nebb. I think they're definitely on the right track. Most of
these show the classic aromatics that make Nebbiolo such a wonderful variety. I could go out and
spend $70-$200/btl for an equivalent-age Piedmonte Nebbiolo and get much less pleasure from it.
Whether the Nebbs are going to be, 10-20 yrs down the road, as attractive as these are will be a
good question. I'll be there taking data.



Dinner at Emilio's (8/19/09)
After we'd worked thru all the Nebb's at Pax's, we adjourned for dinner to Emilio's home and some
more Nebbs. KenMusso was the only one who could join us...the others having chores to attend to with
the oncoming crush staring them in the face.
Emilio lives on GreenVllyRd, between Graton and Occidental. He has a small Nebb vnyd there on his
property. Last year when we visited, he was in the middle of building his straw-bale wnry there on his
property. It is now completed and just received its bond a few weeks ago. Production will begin there this
year. In addition to using his own Estate grapes, he also buys a bit from RanchoSisquoc in SantaBarbara
as well. I'm proud to say that I've followed Emilio's wines...even from before the very start.

1. Balagera Chiavennasca TerrazzaRetiche di Sondrio Frizzante Blanc (10.5%) NV: Light/pale color; very
light simple/fruity almost no nose; fizzy lightly fruity clean simple flavor; short fizzy lightly
fruity finish; no Nebb character and simple/fruity pleasant fizzy wine.
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2. Vivac MimbresVlly/NewMexico Nebbiolo (13%) 2006: Very light rather bricked color; earthy/mushroomy
slight desert sage/herbal little Nebb nose; soft/fat grapey/mushroomy flavor w/ little tannins or
acids; med.short grapey/mushroomy slight herbal/sagebrush finish w/ little tannins; rather dull
classic MimbresVlly red w/ no Nebb character I can detect.
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3. Cantina Ar.Pe.Pe.srl Valtelline Superiore Sassella RocceRosse Riserva (http://www.ArPePe.com; 13%) Arturo
Pellizatti Perego 1997
: Very light rather bricked color; lovely very perfumed/dried rose petal rather
meaty light tarry/pungent very exotic complex nose; tart/hard/tannic some dried out rather metallic/
dried rose petal/meaty very perfumed flavor; lean/hard/tannic/acid dried rose petal/meaty slight tarry
complex finish; seems a bit dried out on palate and hard/hurtey but lovely/beautiful classic aged
Nebb aromatics; had smoothed out a bit the next morning on the palate.
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4. RoundPond Rutherford/NapaVlly Nebbiolo (14.3%) 2006: Med.light some bricking color; bit tarry/pungent
light pencilly/toasty/oak pleasant floral/violets nose; tart rather hard/tannic bit licorice/pungent/
light tarry fairly pencilly/oak flavor; med.long light pungent/tarry/licorice light floral/violets
somewhat pencilly/oak finish w/ rather hard tannins; certainly speaks of Nebbiolo but a bit too much
pencilly/oak for my taste; a Nebb made by a Cab producer. $32.00
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5. CosentinoWnry TheNeb SonomaVlly Nebbiolo (14.4%) 2004: Med.color w/ slight bricking; strong pencilly/
toasty/Fr.oak very ligt floral/violets/Nebb nose; very tart/acid very strong toasty/pencilly/oak/
toasted cocnut/ZagNut bar light floral/violets flavor; med.long strong toasty/Fr.oak/pencilly toasted
coconut lighht floral finish w/ ample tannins; loads of toasty Fr.oak and speaks slightly of Nebb.
$35.00/500 ml
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6. Triacca Sforzato di Valtellina SanDomenico (15%) Villa di Tirano 2001: Med.color w/ slight bricking;
strong grapey/fragrant/floral/lilacs bit fumey/alcoholic/late harvesty nose; tart rather tannic/hard
bit dried out light floral/lilacs bit metallic/bitey some alcoholic/late harvesty flavor; med.long
light floral/lilacs/Nebb rather hard/tannic rather later harvesty/raisened finish; probably needs
more age but on the raisened/late harvesty side. $68.00
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7. RenatoRatti Marcenasco Barolo (13.5%) 1998: Med.color w/ slight bricking; beautiful floral/violets/
Nebb light tarry/pungent/fresh Kansas road tar on a hot Summer day very perfumed/complex/aromatic nose;
bit acid/tart/bitey light tannic effusive/floral/violets/lilacs/perfumed light tannic slight dried rose
petal complex flavor; very long/lingering perfumed/violets/floral/Nebb slight acidic/bitey light tarry/
pungent light tannic smooth complex finish; a beautiful elegant example of Piedmonte Nebb in all its
glory.
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8. Vigneti de Marchi Propreita Sperino Lessona (13%) 2004: Very attractive fragrant/perfumed/floral/lilacs/
Nebb lovely fragrant nose; softer light tannic very attractive floral/lilacs light tarry somewhat
earthy/dusty slight oak flavor; long attractive floral/lilacs/violets/perfumed/Nebb fairly rich/lush
some tannic/hard light oak finish; very attractive Nebb w/o the hurtey character; this is how they'd
make Calif Nebb in the Piedmonte if they could. Bit pricey at $64.00
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9. NakedLady CastelliEstate Nebbiolo 2006: Med.color; strong floral/lilacs/perfumed almost Pinot-like
some pungent/tarry fragrant/lovely nose; bit hard/tannic lovely floral/lilacs/violets somewhat acid
light tarry/pungent very attractive flavor; very long ripe/floral/lilacs/violets some tannic/hard bit
tarry finish; needs several yrs of age yet; speaks lod & clear of Nebbiolo w/ a Calif voice; probably
my favorite Nebb for drinking of the night.
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And a wee BloodyPulpit:
1. Ar.Pe.Pe: This is the new name for the old ArturoPellizatti wines from the Valtelline. When I first
discovered these wines in the early '70's, it started my decades-long love affair w/ Valtelline
Nebbiolo. I, in general, prefer the Nebbs from the Valtelline to those of the Piedmonte. They tend
to have more of an earthy character and not quite the aromatics, but I like their attack on the
palate better than most high-end Piedmonte Nebbs. If Calif Nebbiolo winemakers look to Italy for
inspiration (not that they should), the Valtelline is where they should look.
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2. Both the RoundPond and the Cosentino Nebbs certainly spoke of Nebbiolo, but they both had a bit too
much oak that obscured any Nebb fruit that might have been there, especially the Cosentino. The latter
Nebb came from two vnyds over in the RussianRvr area, one of whom the tasting room guy thought was
called Romani or Romanee or some such. Didn't seem too inclined to pursue the subject for me, so
I just bought my bottle and skeedaddled (Kansas colloquialism for get the Hell out of Dodge). Whereas
the guy at the RoundPond tasting room (Khris Lund) was engaging and a real joy to visit with and made
a valiant attempt to locate the spec sheet on the Nebb for me. DuckPond grows their Nebb out to the
front of their Estate in a gravelly/riverbed type of soil where it seems to do best.
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3. Danged Baroli: I keep trying the Piedmonte Barolo/Barbaresco paradigm and am ready to completly cross
them off my list; mean tannic/acidic wines. Then I hit, every so often, one like this Ratti...and I,
once again, go back on my word. Thanks, Emilio!!
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4. Emilio insists that to enjoy Nebbiolo, you must have it with food. I'm not sure I absolutely believe
that..that Nebbiolo needs a crutch to support it. But food we had. We started off w/ some of Laura's
bruschetta, some of Emilio's NoKneadBread w/ olive oil, his own home-cured Bresaola; and a selection
of Salamis and Terrines I'd picked up at TheFattedCalf that morning. Then we segued to the table
for Brasato (Beef braised in Barolo) served atop Polenta. The home-grown tomatoes were about the
best I've had this year. And, of course, more Nebbs. A terrific evening of great food, great wines
(some not so great), and best of all, great company. Doen't get any better than that.
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5. FattedCalf: I'd been wanting to try salami from TheFattedCalf for a number of yrs, so this time I
alloted some time to make the pilgrimage to the OxbowMarket in Napa, where they make their products
and the only outlet (save the Farmer'sMarket at the FerryBldg on Saturday). This is definitely a
place everyone must visit. The terrines were dynamite, the Salamis maybe the best I've yet had.
Whilst Susan had her EggMcMuffin (well....it was a fried egg samwich from TheModelBakery next door),
I chowed down on their (FattedCalf) Porchetta samwich. Dynamite breakfast fare.

Tom
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Re: WTN: Inaugural NAP...(very long/boring)

by Ian Sutton » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:48 pm

TomHill wrote:Since he had already declared Nebbiolo a failure in Calif, RobertParker was NOT invited. As with Syrah, he'll probably come to the party ten yrs after it started.

and then re-write the history books to show that after all, he was the one that called it 'right' :roll:

Anyway, onto a happier subject - nebbiolo.

Food? For younger wines I think the right food is very important. Otherwise the tannins dominate and (for me at least) I struggle to appreciate the rest of the wine. For older / resolved wines I think it's an either/or. In all likelihood the acidity will be very food friendly, though I'd always go for game birds (not too gamey though) out of choice. Delicate but flavoursome matching what I expect from the wines.

Suggestion? Yes absolutely agree that we're all open to this, though over time I think we do get more critical. Our early years though - very vulnerable, though with good guidance (i.e a friend who got very irate when I said a wine with a gold medal must be good :oops: ) we can keep a good open, but enquiring and critical approach.

Variability? Hell yes! I tend to have more luck than you, but this is after all (probably) my favourite wine grape, so my preference tends to be aligned to it.

Tasting young nebbiolos... Not a sport for the faint-hearted and whilst when I've done it in volume (e.g. Barbaresco festival), I've been confident I can pick the ones to my taste, I find it harder to make judgements from others TNs. Not sure why - maybe it's all about levels of this or that and different thresholds. Easier to spot (and I suspect to agree on) the shockers.

Calif vs. Piemonte (vs. the world)... The key lesson from elsewhere, is for winemakers to taste widely, not just from the spiritual home(s) such as Barolo, Barbaresco, Gattinara, Valtellina, etc but also what other winemakers locally and worldwide are doing. It's not about copying, but it is about benchmarking, getting ideas, seeing pitfalls and opportunities. There is quite a buzz (albeit small scale) about producers working with Nebbiolo in Australia - Pizzini, Stephen Pannell, Arrivo, Vinea Marson etc. who sometimes charge some pretty high prices for such (effectively) experimental wines. I'm keen to try them, though would baulk at paying Aus $60-80+ when I know what I'm getting from Piemonte for the same money (in terms of longevity and bottle development).

p.s. I had to ask a winemaker in Barolo, just to know ... he advised that Barolo doesn't pluralise to Baroli e.g. it's un Barolo, due Barolo, tre Barolo etc. IIRC it's because it's a place name and hence the plural doesn't exist.

Finally - many thanks for such a good write-up, something that might even be suitable for a wine magazine article. Maybe something that could be flagged on the main WLDG front page? (Robin?) Certainly a post that might fire the imagination and maybe apply the power of suggestion to someone new to the hobby! :wink:

regards

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by TomHill » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:03 pm

Ian Sutton wrote:
TomHill wrote:Since he had already declared Nebbiolo a failure in Calif, RobertParker was NOT invited. As with Syrah, he'll probably come to the party ten yrs after it started.

and then re-write the history books to show that after all, he was the one that called it 'right' :roll:

Anyway, onto a happier subject - nebbiolo.

Food? For younger wines I think the right food is very important. Otherwise the tannins dominate and (for me at least) I struggle to appreciate the rest of the wine. For older / resolved wines I think it's an either/or. In all likelihood the acidity will be very food friendly, though I'd always go for game birds (not too gamey though) out of choice. Delicate but flavoursome matching what I expect from the wines.

Certainly agree with you, Ian, if the goal is to enjoy the wines. But I think you can taste/judge/evaluate young Nebbiolos and, though maybe a bit of a painful experience, still evaluate wether
it's one you are probably going to like or not.


Suggestion? Yes absolutely agree that we're all open to this, though over time I think we do get more critical. Our early years though - very vulnerable, though with good guidance (i.e a friend who got very irate when I said a wine with a gold medal must be good :oops: ) we can keep a good open, but enquiring and critical approach.

Variability? Hell yes! I tend to have more luck than you, but this is after all (probably) my favourite wine grape, so my preference tends to be aligned to it.

Tasting young nebbiolos... Not a sport for the faint-hearted and whilst when I've done it in volume (e.g. Barbaresco festival), I've been confident I can pick the ones to my taste, I find it harder to make judgements from others TNs. Not sure why - maybe it's all about levels of this or that and different thresholds. Easier to spot (and I suspect to agree on) the shockers.

Calif vs. Piemonte (vs. the world)... The key lesson from elsewhere, is for winemakers to taste widely, not just from the spiritual home(s) such as Barolo, Barbaresco, Gattinara, Valtellina, etc but also what other winemakers locally and worldwide are doing. It's not about copying, but it is about benchmarking, getting ideas, seeing pitfalls and opportunities. There is quite a buzz (albeit small scale) about producers working with Nebbiolo in Australia - Pizzini, Stephen Pannell, Arrivo, Vinea Marson etc. who sometimes charge some pretty high prices for such (effectively) experimental wines. I'm keen to try them, though would baulk at paying Aus $60-80+ when I know what I'm getting from Piemonte for the same money (in terms of longevity and bottle development).

p.s. I had to ask a winemaker in Barolo, just to know ... he advised that Barolo doesn't pluralise to Baroli e.g. it's un Barolo, due Barolo, tre Barolo etc. IIRC it's because it's a place name and hence the plural doesn't exist.

Finally - many thanks for such a good write-up, something that might even be suitable for a wine magazine article. Maybe something that could be flagged on the main WLDG front page? (Robin?) Certainly a post that might fire the imagination and maybe apply the power of suggestion to someone new to the hobby! :wink:

regards

Ian


Good comments, Ian. I was sorta aware that there was some interest in Nebbiolo in Australia, but not had a chance to lay my hands on any examples.
I think the Calif & the Oz folks are probably about the same point in their interest in Nebbiolo. Just a few crazies who want to see what they can do with it.
And certainly any winemaker playing w/ Nebbiolo had oughta be tasting as many of those examples as they can. I guess I'm kinda surprised that
not a lot of Calif winemakers are very familar w/ those from the Valtelline.
Tom

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