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Agostino Berti
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Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:47 pm
Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Agostino Berti wrote:...- this is kickin some Chablis ass!! (this was a jab at my friend Don who loves Chablis, keeps opening them up to convert me, and they always seem to be either in a "dumb" phase, oxidized, or smelling like sulfur.)
Agostino Berti
Ultra geek
196
Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:47 pm
Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Agostino Berti
Ultra geek
196
Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:47 pm
Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Oswaldo Costa wrote:Pepe, Emidio 1978 Montepulciano d'Abruzzo
Holy hell this is beautiful wine; exhibiting gorgeous notes of black truffle, sun-dried tomatoes, dried herbs, and soil, all strung together along a core of morello cherry. The palate is broad and alive with lingering tobacco notes in the finish. Exceptional. CB
At least as good as the sought-after 1975, maybe better. JW
Agostino Berti wrote:Mark, do you have one? What year is it?
Trebbiano gets a lot of flak for being neutral. I think a lot of grapes get a specific reputation over the years because they've been used to make gallons of light quaffer wines (which in Italy is often the case) then a conscientious producer comes along and turns the reputation on its head. I had an aged Lugana, I think from Ca' dei Frati, which is 100% Trebbiano made in the Lago di Garda area and it was quite delicious. So here's two cases of Trebbiano that ages well!
The Pepe Trebbiano I had could kind of be described as neutral, but it was neutral in a good way, like a quiet friend who knows how to listen. It was an interesting wine without being overbearing. I get the same kind of Zen quality from the Nebbiolos of Ar.Pe.Pe. in Valtellina.
Agostino Berti
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Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:47 pm
Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Agostino Berti wrote:wine should be within reach of normal, middle-class people, otherwise, what's the point?
Agostino Berti
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Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:47 pm
Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Agostino Berti wrote:Rahsaan,
You take what I say too literally. Were you born in Germany?
Poor middle-class people, rich lower-class people, etc. etc.
It used to be only 15 years ago that cheap wine was 8 bucks, good wine 15, expensive wine 20 and ultra-expensive was 30. The range was acceptable, it was human. Now some wines are priced so you either have to sell your child or win the lottery. I don't think its fair that someone who decides to make a career in carpentry or teaching can't drink an artisanal wine and is confined to industrial swill. What's the point of making a wine that will only be drunk by Wall St. bankers?
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Agostino Berti wrote:The 2001 red on the other hand was not as interesting at this stage. But without sulfites added you don't know what you're going to get in 10 years. Like I said its a crap-shoot. Kind of like Coturri wines.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Oswaldo Costa wrote:Rahsaan, I think he just means middle class incomes.
David, I don't think he means it pejoratively (or the inverse), just that you never know if a Coturri wine will be as excellent as it ought to be or undrinkable because of unsanitary conditions/low SO2.
Oswaldo Costa wrote:Rahsaan, I think he just means middle class incomes
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Rahsaan wrote:Oswaldo Costa wrote:Rahsaan, I think he just means middle class incomes
If so, then why add the word 'normal'. It doesn't make sense. What's an abnormal middle class income?
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:Oswaldo - an annual income of $91K is not even close to upper class. That is where statistics are very misleading.
As for Coturri - I have been through 40+ bottles with about 4-6 that were palatable. I bought a bunch after tasting at the winery & got screwed.
Joe Moryl wrote:While it may not be your definition of upper class, given the data that Oswaldo cites, it does mean that 4 out of 5 households make less than $91k - so why isn't that 'even close to upper class'?
There are artisinal, organic producers who charge $15/bottle and those that charge $100 for a bottle of Trebbiano. Why?
Wine should be something we should be able to enjoy every day - and not only those of us who can afford the rare, expensive stuff (e.g. 90% of what gets discussed on wine boards).
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Joe Moryl wrote:There are artisinal, organic producers who charge $15/bottle and those that charge $100 for a bottle of Trebbiano. Why?
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