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WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by Oswaldo Costa » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:21 am

For the Independence Day of my home away from home, a hipster hippie lineup to say hip hippie hooray for the U. S. of A.

2005 Edmunds St. John Paso Robles Shell and Bone 14.2%
With Artisanal Hoja Santa (goat). Blend of Viognier and Roussanne. Decanted for 9 hours. Beautiful golden hue. Very aromatic and floral nose. I expected this to be slightly lacking in acidity but it was fine, in good balance with the caramel sweetness and anis fruit. One of the guests found airplane glue, but I couldn't see it. A slightly bitter finish, usually a downer for me, was quite lovely here, and tinged with salinity. A good showing.

2007 Scholium Project Naucratis Lost Slough Vineyard Verdejo 14.9%
With Artisanal American Camembert (cow). Decanted for 10 hours. Aroma is mainly faded fruit salad, the kind in which the banana wheels are already becoming over the hill. Some yeast and wet dishrag, acceptable. Residual sweetness in the mouth, slightly hot, slightly acid deficient. Not bad, but disappointingly tame, since I know how exotic wine this can be. Perhaps the long decant dampened it too much.

2005 Edmunds St. John California Rocks and Gravel 14.2%
With Artisanal Laurier Bay Leaf (goat). A blend of Syrah, Grenache, Mourvedre and Counoise. Decanted 2 hours. According to Steve Edmunds, making this wine “involved combining parts of fourteen different wines from eleven different vineyard sites, encompassing five or six different growing regions in California....” Ripe cherry aromas, laced with nail polish. Lush and satisfying mouth feel, excellent acidity, but fruit seemed on the simple side, and beginning to fade. In defiance of its low price, perhaps I expected a little more complexity, given the multiplicity of its components.

2005 El Dorado County Syrah Wylie-Fenaughty 14.6%
With Nettle Meadow Kunik (goat with cow cream). Decanted 3 hours. Rich cassis and airplane glue nose. Excellent mouth feel and acidity grip, perfect acid/sweet balance, complex and attractive fruit, with molasses and cloves. Attractive tannins. A lovely wine, with many years ahead of it, and most people’s WOTN.

2004 Coturri Zinfandel Freiberg Vineyard Sonoma County 16.2%
With Grafton Village Maple-smoked Cheddar (cow). Decanted 6 hours. An exotic wine made from botrytized grapes. Complex nose, very port-like, with molasses, charred coconut, acetone, forest floor and the plastic used in band aids. Drier than expected (i.e., drier than port) but still sweet, with rich additional notes of coffee, cocoa, cedar and tobacco. Tannins had a pleasant grippy grain. On the finish, has that yeasty aftertaste, common in natural wines, which I don’t like. Otherwise quite special. PS: cork not good quality, rather Swiss cheesy; Coturri should invest in better corks or go straight to screw caps (by reputation, can’t think of any producer who would benefit more from that).

A fun evening, without my American friends, but with the next best thing, American cheese and wine. And no artificial corks.
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Re: WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by David M. Bueker » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:43 am

Nail polish and fading fruit don't sound like a solid bottle of the Rocks & Gravel.

Darned lucky on the Coturri. That yeasty thing is going to take down the whole wine in the next 6-12 months if I know my Coturri's.
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Re: WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by Rahsaan » Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:47 am

David M. Bueker wrote:Nail polish and fading fruit don't sound like a solid bottle of the Rocks & Gravel..


I was interested to see nail polish/airplane glue show up in all three of the ESJ notes. Not what I remember as usual but then again wine is alive and I haven't tasted any of these recently.
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Re: WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by Jenise » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:32 pm

I'd be interested in knowing more about your choice to decant the Scholium for ten hours.
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Re: WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by Oswaldo Costa » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:15 pm

Jenise wrote:I'd be interested in knowing more about your choice to decant the Scholium for ten hours.


A few weeks ago I opened a 2004 Coulee de Serrant and a 2007 Suore Sistercenci Coenobium Rusticum in the morning, poured them into decanters, and they were singing in the evening. Since the Scholium Naucratis I tried a few months ago seemed powerful and structured, I decided to try the same gambit. Marcia thought I was crazy. With the ESJ, I think it helped. With the Scholium, I'm not sure, so will try to pick up another bottle and try soon after opening to compare...
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Re: WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by Mark Lipton » Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:58 pm

Oswaldo Costa wrote:For the Independence Day of my home away from home, a hipster hippie lineup to say hip hippie hooray for the U. S. of A.


Nice lineup of wines (and cheeses), Oswaldo! I don't think that I'd call Steve E. or his wines hipster hippies, but no objection about the Coturri or Scholium Project getting that label.

2004 Coturri Zinfandel Freiberg Vineyard Sonoma County 16.2%
With Grafton Village Maple-smoked Cheddar (cow). Decanted 6 hours. An exotic wine made from botrytized grapes. Complex nose, very port-like, with molasses, charred coconut, acetone, forest floor and the plastic used in band aids...


Just for the record, that "band aid" smell comes from meta-cresol, a disinfectant used in Band-Aids. It's also a signature of Brett, no surprise in a Coturri wine.

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Re: WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by SteveEdmunds » Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:09 am

i'm proud to be a hippie, (but not from Mississippi!)
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Re: WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by Robert Dentice » Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:09 pm

Do you know for sure the Coturri had botrytized grapes? I just thought that some of the Coturri wines are sweet because they do not ferment dry.

The Naucratis is probably the one and only Scholium that I would not decant. Try the 2008 Naucratis it is amazing.
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Re: WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by Oswaldo Costa » Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:26 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:Do you know for sure the Coturri had botrytized grapes? I just thought that some of the Coturri wines are sweet because they do not ferment dry.

Yup, the Coturri site says This is one of the most unique zinfandels that you will ever have the opportunity to taste. The reason for this phenomenon is that the fruit in this particular vineyard is affected by boytritus, or the noble rot, that give the great Sauternes of France their character. (see http://www.coturriwinery.com/order.html)

Robert Dentice wrote:The Naucratis is probably the one and only Scholium that I would not decant.

Now you tell me!

Robert Dentice wrote:Try the 2008 Naucratis it is amazing.

Will do. And nice to meet you.
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OMG....ScrewCaps???

by TomHill » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:08 am

Oswaldo Costa wrote:2004 Coturri Zinfandel Freiberg Vineyard Sonoma County 16.2%
.... PS: cork not good quality, rather Swiss cheesy; Coturri should invest in better corks or go straight to screw caps (by reputation, can’t think of any producer who would benefit more from that).


TonyCoturri & screwcaps...that's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. If'n he had his way...he'd seal his btls with an (olive)oil-soaked rag...back like they did before they discovered the utility of corks to provide a seal for wine.
But you're right...his wine would probably last better under a screwcap. But it's not agonna happen.
Nice note, Oswaldo.
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Re: WTNs: ESJ, Scholium & Coturri for the 4th of July

by Robert Dentice » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:06 pm

Thanks for the info. on the Coturri. I did not know that.

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