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Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Hoke » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:11 pm

An article in Decanter by the estimable Jamie Goode reports that one screwcap producer estimates that screwcaps account for 15% of the market share for wine closures. Nomacork agreed with that estimate, but Amorim thought the share was smaller (or perhaps liked to think it was smaller :D ).

A comment from the Italian screwcap producer, Guala, indicates that the demand is strong...and growing: "We've seen a lot of growth..." said Seznec. "Screwcap sales have been growing much faster than we'd thought, since the end of 2006."
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by David M. Bueker » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:17 pm

I knew we were getting screwier.
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Oswaldo Costa » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:35 pm

Great, but the usage stats would be more telling if they were for, say, Europe only, because we don't know how much of that comes from Australia/NZ.
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by SteveEdmunds » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:44 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:I knew we were getting screwier.

Screw EVERYTHING! :D
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Hoke » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:46 pm

Steve Edmunds wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:I knew we were getting screwier.

Screw EVERYTHING! :D


Doesn't even have to move. :twisted:
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Hoke » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:49 pm

Oswaldo Costa wrote:Great, but the usage stats would be more telling if they were for, say, Europe only, because we don't know how much of that comes from Australia/NZ.


Quote from Jamie's article: "According to Seznec's estimates, European screwcap sales top one billion.....There was fantastic growth in Argentina last year, which surprised us." She also indicated the greatest growth was in France, Germany, Austria, Spain and Italy. I would assume that because Australia/NZ is probably a heavily saturated market, so growth is coming primarily from other markets.
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by SteveEdmunds » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:24 pm

Hoke wrote:
Steve Edmunds wrote:
David M. Bueker wrote:I knew we were getting screwier.

Screw EVERYTHING! :D


Doesn't even have to move. :twisted:

Well...maybe a little :lol:
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Tim York » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:39 pm

Hoke wrote: She also indicated the greatest growth was in France, Germany, Austria, Spain and Italy. I would assume that because Australia/NZ is probably a heavily saturated market, so growth is coming primarily from other markets.


The article is not very clear on what is meant by screwcap sales in Europe. I guess that it means sales by the closure maker to bottlers. I think that it would be hard to find many bottles under screwcap for sale to the public in France, Spain and Italy. However, export minded estates are increasingly using them bottles destined for sale in countries where screwcap is more acdceptable, e.g. most of the English speaking world and a handful of other countries.

Meanwhile synthetics continue to make some inroads.
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Victorwine » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:56 pm

On his Blog, Jamie posted a nice video, scroll down to Wed March 4, 2009.
He estimates 2.5 billion bottles of wine are sealed with screw caps out of 17 to 19 billion bottles produced.

http://www.wineanorak.com/blog/

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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Ian Sutton » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:58 pm

Interesting article on TORB's site re 2005 Leasingham Bin 61 Shiraz sealed both in screwcap and cork and it's mixed track record in shows.

That said, I'll not be getting involved with any debate on the issue, so have fun without me :lol:

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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Daniel Rogov » Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:59 pm

Ian Sutton wrote:...That said, I'll not be getting involved with any debate on the issue...




Debate? Is there any debate? Or is it a collective monologue, both sides having gone so far and so often on the topic that there simply is nothing new to say - instead each of us (including myself) merely repeating what they have to say and imagining that the other side is listening? Like you, Ian, I"ll not get involved...

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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Hoke » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:11 am

Daniel Rogov wrote:
Ian Sutton wrote:...That said, I'll not be getting involved with any debate on the issue...




Debate? Is there any debate? Or is it a collective monologue, both sides having gone so far and so often on the topic that there simply is nothing new to say - instead each of us (including myself) merely repeating what they have to say and imagining that the other side is listening? Like you, Ian, I"ll not get involved...

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And yet, here you and Ian are, involved in studiously not being involved. Or studiously involved in not being involved. While you are involved. :D

It is not a monologue when a report is published showing change. Just as it is not a monologue when TORB posts a report showing spotty trial results from screwcaps. The corkistas constantly ask for more more more more more information. This is merely information being reported.
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Ian Sutton » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:15 am

Hoke wrote:And yet, here you and Ian are, involved in studiously not being involved. Or studiously involved in not being involved. While you are involved. :D

Aargh! If I don't answer, it's implicit agreement that I'm involved. If I deny involvement, then by writing I am involved. I'm going for a lie down now as my braincell is feeling sorry for it's over-exertions. :oops:
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Hoke » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:14 pm

Ian Sutton wrote:
Hoke wrote:And yet, here you and Ian are, involved in studiously not being involved. Or studiously involved in not being involved. While you are involved. :D

Aargh! If I don't answer, it's implicit agreement that I'm involved. If I deny involvement, then by writing I am involved. I'm going for a lie down now as my braincell is feeling sorry for it's over-exertions. :oops:



Nonsense, Ian! If you don't answer, then you're not involved. You do not add implicit agreement by not getting involved in a conversation. Unless you consider yourself so invested in one side or the other that it makes you involved. And that's your ego at work. :twisted:

You are making a statement by making a statement----getting involved by getting involved. :D

You just can't help yourself, thassall.

Have a nice nap. :D
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Daniel Rogov » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:52 pm

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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Hoke » Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:26 pm

Daniel Rogov wrote:I do, therefore I am. Plato
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And I see you had a nice nap, too, Rogov. :)
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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by SteveEdmunds » Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:51 pm

Hoke wrote:
Daniel Rogov wrote:I do, therefore I am. Plato
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And I see you had a nice nap, too, Rogov. :)

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Re: Decanter/Jamie Goode: Screwcaps at 15% share

by Tom Troiano » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:20 pm

Joining late....

Doesn't it depend on what wines you include? Aren't most cheap jug wines using screwcaps? If so, for some significant % of the VOLUME the screwcap % may be 100%.

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