I had these two a while back also. I thought they were excellent examples of the style - it just happens to be a style that I am not at all fond of. I would expect that if the modern style of Burgundy, or some of the Californian Pinots are what you seek for in The Grape, then these would go down very, very well.
I don't drink wine because of religious reasons ... only for other reasons.
No longer ITB.