Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9524
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9524
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
Jim Grow wrote:Nice notes Bill and I'll leave my few remaining 86 Gruaud Larose alone for a few years. The big question is; do you really have dung in your cellar. This could account for that barnyard nose and palate in some of your reds?
* 1986 Château L'Arrosée - France, Bordeaux, Libournais, St. Émilion Grand Cru
Warm, sweet, smooth. Not a lot of depth, but smooth & silky.
B+
* 1986 Vieux Château Certan - France, Bordeaux, Libournais, Pomerol
Fruit is nice, a little mushroomy. Smooth, very pleasant. A little funky. Light core.
B+
* 1986 Château Haut-Brion - France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan
Concentrated fruit. Powerful & strong. Muscular. Lots of acidic tannins. Some black tar, leather. Still young. I seem to have liked this wine a lot more than some others around the table.
A--
* 1986 Château Pape Clément - France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan
Smooth, silky. Dark core. Not as concentrated or structured as Haut Brion, but sweeter. Very nice.
B+/A-
* 1986 Château Margaux - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux
Thick, dense, dark, silky. Tobacco. Port-thick, tannic, tight. Potential to get a better.
A-
* 1986 Château Palmer - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux
Sweet, dense, smooth. Dark core with some herbs. Very nice.
A-
* 1986 Château Rausan-Ségla (Rauzan-Ségla) - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux
Sweet fruit, some tight tiny tannins, some high toned fruit. Juicy sweet core fruit.
A-
* 1986 Château Lynch-Bages - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
Big & Thick. Tobacco, some tannic structure, some herbs.
B++
* 1986 Château Pichon-Longueville Baron - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
Thick & dark with a sweet core. Smooth. Sweet herbs (clove?). Viscous. More new world style perhaps, especially on nose. Bit like the 2001, but tamer.
B+
* 1986 Château Lafite Rothschild - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
Thick, concentrated, not sweet. Acidic tannins. Nicely herbal, lots going on. Dark, young with a solid core.
A-
* 1986 Château Pichon Longueville Comtesse de Lalande - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
Nice smooth fruit. Dark core, some herbs. Speculation that this was very slightly corked. I think I agree, but thought it was pretty good anyway.
B+
* 1986 Château Talbot - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
Nice sweetness, smooth, broad. Doesn’t have the dark note of the other wines. Delicious.
A/A-
* 1986 Château Gruaud Larose - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
Nice herb and fruit with tannic edge. Not as concentrated as some of the others, but very nice.
B+/A-
* 1986 Château Cos d'Estournel - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Estèphe
Sweet note, tannic bite. A little light.
B+
* 1986 Château Lagrange St. Julien - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
Sweet, smooth, lots of structure. Very nice. Dense. Young.
B++
* 1986 Château Beychevelle - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
Dark, tobacco, tar. Tannic. A bit musty/funky. Sweet herbs.
B/B+
* 1986 Château Léoville Barton - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
Not as dense as some others, with lots of acidic tannin. Herbal, a bit reedy, light.
B
* 1986 Château d'Yquem - France, Bordeaux, Sauternais, Sauternes
Carmel, burnt sugar, smooth. Awesome. Very very long finish.
A
Final vote tally for WOTN (1st, 2nd, 3rd place votes)
Lafite (26 pts)
Talbot (15)
Gruaud (8)
Lynch Bages (6)
Rausan Segla (5)
Margaux (5)
Palmer (1)
Leoville Barton (1)
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9524
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
Tom Troiano wrote:I find it amazing that you still see many 1986 Bordeaux TNs that talk about the wines being tannic and not showing much fruit. Is this vintage ever going to live up to all the Parker-hype or is it another '75?
Dale Williams
Compassionate Connoisseur
11154
Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:32 pm
Dobbs Ferry, NY (NYC metro)
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9524
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
Matt Richman wrote:Actually, I was surprised that they weren't more tannic. I don't think it's a '75 situation, although a far cry from 1990.
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9524
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
Matt Richman wrote:When exactly did the '75's become drinkable?
Bill Spohn
He put the 'bar' in 'barrister'
9524
Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm
Vancouver BC
Mark Head wrote:First post. I've been a lurker for the last couple of years; however, had to chime in on the 86's. We had 1986 Beychevelle tonight with a nice prime rib. The wine was smooth and velvety with plenty of raison/plum-like fruit. Just a touch of tannin. While not particularly complex, it is drinking well right now. I doubt it will improve with age at this point. Drink up those 86's.
Bill Spohn wrote:Mark Head wrote:First post. I've been a lurker for the last couple of years; however, had to chime in on the 86's. We had 1986 Beychevelle tonight with a nice prime rib. The wine was smooth and velvety with plenty of raison/plum-like fruit. Just a touch of tannin. While not particularly complex, it is drinking well right now. I doubt it will improve with age at this point. Drink up those 86's.
First, welcome to posting.
Second, you can't take one of the softer 86s and then generaize to all of them saying they should be drunk up. They shouldn't. The vintage should be drunk selectively, starting with some of the more forward wines like the Beychevelle. Many are still nowhere peak, however.
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