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David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Hoke wrote:Well, not to burst your bubble, David, but I have come across reduction in wines under screwcap.
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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David M. Bueker wrote:Hoke wrote:Well, not to burst your bubble, David, but I have come across reduction in wines under screwcap.
Umm...Hoke - I was (apparently not well) acknowledging reduction issues, but saying that I haven't heard any meaningful reports of wines developing (i.e. maturing) in an any other odd/unpleasant way.
Ian Sutton
Spanna in the works
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:10 pm
Norwich, UK
Daniel Rogov wrote:*Does grimacing silently violate my resolution?
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
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Michael Pronay wrote:The screw-cap pioneer in Germany is Fritz Hasselbach from Weingut Gunderloch. When I first spoke to him — back in 2003 at Vinexpo (OMG, already six years from now!) — he said that in the beginning he made the error of bottling under screw-cap exactly the same time as he would under cork. The results did not please him: "Under cork, the wine kind of needed six to eight weeks to get accustomed with his new environment. Under screw-cap, the bottle shock was there, but the wine needed much longer — months — to recover." The solution he found out works absolutely perfect: "Every wine goes into large oak casks between six weeks and three months prior to bottling. Then the wine is absoluteyl à point and perfect after bottling ."
Could it be that this is what is meant by those "reduction problems" that I simply do not get at all? (I have to add that I taste some 2,000 screw-capped wines per year, and I only had once a serious issue.)
Daniel Rogov
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
Hoke wrote: (Wait, wait...is that Rogov I see standing in the wood carving with the floppy hat and the variegated hose and codpiece, saying something about romance and hallowed tradition??? )
Hoke
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
The question
How do you feel about wine that comes in tins?
Daniel Rogov wrote:*Old English, but I'm sure you'll decode it.
Hoke
Achieving Wine Immortality
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:07 am
Portland, OR
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
Hoke wrote:You, in return, need to understand the absolute glee I enjoy when I successfully draw you out of your self-imposed silence on these issues. It's like the medieval bear-baiting, without the blood.
Daniel Rogov wrote:As I write this, the time in Tel Aviv is 20:22. It is only the 4th of January and considering that one of my New Year's resolutions was not to enter into further discussions about screwcaps vs corks, all I will do is grimace silently* at the thought of my JJ Prum or Chateau Margaux under anything other than cork.
Best
Rogov
*Does grimacing silently violate my resolution?
David M. Bueker
Riesling Guru
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
David M. Bueker wrote:Poppycock. A cork is a closure. Nothing more, nothing less.
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Simon J wrote:David M. Bueker wrote:Poppycock. A cork is a closure. Nothing more, nothing less.
And wine is just a liquid?
Covert wrote:Over the weekend, Lynn and I enjoyed a simple 1999 Lagrange and then a lowly 2000 Haut Bages-Averous. Both corks were spectacular, greatly enhancing the wine drinking experience for us. One of the great joys of growing older is the pleasure one can find in being stupid about such things. Younger people do not have that luxury, so it is no wonder that they wouldn't feel that they were missing something.
so a lost bottle here and there due to TCA is really not a big deal, compared with the ultimate pleasure of occasionally enjoying a bottle that is complete - like the two I just mentioned.
Daniel Rogov
Resident Curmudgeon
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:10 am
Tel Aviv, Israel
David M. Bueker
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Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:52 am
Connecticut
Salil Benegal wrote:This evening I opened a bottle of 2003 Mount Langi Ghiran Riesling (Victoria, Aus). I've had a couple of bottles of this in the last few years, and it's been fascinating to see it slowly evolve - not least because all bottles (from the same retail source/batch in Singapore) were sealed under screwcap.
Back in late 2005 (when I was just really getting into wine/starting to record tasting notes for the first time), I didn't enjoy this much - all I found was just a lot of acidity with bone dry citrus flavours.
A second bottle breached in mid-2007 was much more pleasant, starting to show some signs of development. There was more complexity to that bottle with some smoky/kerosene-like flavours and a flinty mineral character starting to emerge, and the acid had started to integrate nicely - while dry, it no longer felt shrill and austere, with a rounder mouthfeel and more depth to the flavours.
The bottle tonight was the best Riesling I've had from this producer so far. Light gold in colour with a really lovely complex nose showing lemon, grapefruit, smoke, flowers and faintly toasty notes with a whiff of petrol underneath. Dry and medium bodied in the mouth with flavours of citrus fruits, flint, toasted almonds and good acidity. Finishes clean with a twist of faintly herbal flavours at the end. Delicious with plenty of depth and complexity, drinking really well now and I look forward to seeing if this'll keep developing over the next few years.
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