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Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David M. Bueker » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:33 pm

One of my Christmas gifts was the latest edition of Parker's Wine Buyer's Guide.

It's the seventh edition of the guide, and now has contributions from all of Parker's associates: David Schildknecht, Antonio Galloni, Dr. Jay Miller, Neal Martin & Mark Squires. The book is significantly updated from its last edition, and the coverage of the world's major wine regions has been greatly expanded. The first thing one notices about the book is its weight! At over 1500 pages it's not a book you read in bed.

Each of the Wine Advocate's regular contributors covers his areas of expertise. This means that Parker himself covers only California, the Rhone & Bordeaux. Antonio Galloni covers Italy in all its manifestations (though he does not cover Champagne despite doing the most recent reviews for the Wine Advocate), Jay Miller writes about Spain, Australia, South America, Oregon & Washington & David Schildknecht covers about as much of the wine world as water covers the Earth (Mark Squires and Neal martin have cameo roles).

One important caveat about the book. There are no tasting notes for the wines. In the interest of space only scores have been reproduced. That is lamentable, as the narrative tasting notes have always been more important to me, and at least according to the introduction to The Wine Advocate they are more important than a score. That said, wines change over time, and since the book provides retrospective data (some scores go back into the 90s) the original notes would be somewhat meaningless as wines change over time. Of course the same can be said of the scores, but there is the idea that numerical ratings are assigned based on a wine's current status and it's potential. In any event, I would not buy the book if I were looking to find out what a given wine tastes like - the information just isn't there. If the information was there the book would be 3000 pages and impossible to carry.

The most important part of the new edition (at least in my opinion) is the updated regional (and brief producer) profiles. This is where one can find the book's greatest successes and its worst failures. Whatever one thinks about Parker's palate preferences, his knowledge of California, the Rhone and Bordeaux is generally (if not universally) acknowledged. His regional introductions are concise, useful (the information on the identity of Bordeaux second labels is very welcome) and give a good picture of what's going on in his three regions of specialization. David Schildknecht does yeoman's work in his twelve (yes twelve) sections, writing at length (and with great density of prose) on the vintages, styles, strengths, weaknesses, past, present and future of Alsace, Austria, Germany, Burgundy, Champagne, the Eastern USA and several other places. Schildknecht's writing alone would be worth the price of the entire book. Both Neal Martin and Mark Squires do good jobs introducing their regions, especially since they are covering areas that do not get much press.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the contributions of Dr. Jay Miller. His introduction to Spain is perfunctory at best. For example, his "Important Information" section on Spain covers a grand total of 2 sentences. The sub-regional introductions only cover Ribera del Duero, Rioja and Toro (in the span of a half page), and the vintage summaries average 2-3 sentences with little in the way of useful information. Dr. Miller's introductions. Australia fares slightly better, but the coverage hardly measures up to the rest of the book.

Weighing the pluses and minuses the new edition of the Wine Buyer's Guide is a useful reference. Much of the introductory material will endure, making the book more useful than it would be as a mere collection of scores.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Jenise » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:39 pm

Really appreciate your views, David; I too received the book for Christmas, but had not yet opened the cover and it would have taken me hours to figure out what you so concisely lay out here. Thanks!
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Redwinger » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:53 pm

David-
How many points do you give the book? If not too much work, it might be useful for you to assign points to each region and/or critic.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Hoke » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:13 pm

Redwinger wrote:David-
How many points do you give the book? If not too much work, it might be useful for you to assign points to each region and/or critic.
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I think that's a great idea, Bill.

Then instead of having to read through all that stuff, we could just see the score for each region. That could probably get it down to one page.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David M. Bueker » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:38 pm

Hoke wrote:
Redwinger wrote:David-
How many points do you give the book? If not too much work, it might be useful for you to assign points to each region and/or critic.
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I think that's a great idea, Bill.

Then instead of having to read through all that stuff, we could just see the score for each region. That could probably get it down to one page.


I think that's called a vintage chart. :twisted:
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David Glasser » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:43 pm

David - I've browsed the book and I think you've given an accurate review, at least based on the brief exposure I've had. I was not inspired to buy the thing. Most of the individual wine info is available on the web, and the book would be no easier to read in bed than a laptop computer. I've bought and read most or all of Parker's previous books, and think this one is a victim of the subject matter simply expanding too much.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David M. Bueker » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:47 pm

David - I would be inclined to agree with you except for David Schildknecht's contributions. His pages and pages of material on Austria, Germany, the Loire, Alsace, etc are well worth the money.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David Glasser » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 pm

Good point about David S - his writing is very informative and in-depth, with great information. But his writing style is denser than it needs to be, and requires too much attention to be leisurely enjoyable, at least for me. His sentences are too long and convey too many concepts. He could get the same information across and maintain a captivating style by simply splitting his sentences into two or three. Makes me wonder if he gets paid a bonus for commas, or if as a child he was traumatized by periods.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Salil » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:14 pm

Thanks for the review David. I'll probably hunt down a copy as I'm keen on reading what David Schildknecht has to say about Alsace, Austria, Germany and the Loire in particular. I'm also curious- who reviewed NZ for this?

Shame to hear about Dr. Miller's review on Australia. Would be really nice if we could get someone to review the region for the US who didn't apply a standard that Aussie wines have to be inky black and crammed with fruit, and would slaughter wines that didn't measure up to that yardstick for being 'tart, lean and European-styled'.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David M. Bueker » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:16 pm

If you think his writing in the Wine Advocate is dense you should read his stuff in The World of Fine Wine. It's the white dwarf star of wine writing. I keep a thesaurus handy.

Of course I love that kind of writing, so I'm biased in his favor.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Chris Newport » Thu Jan 01, 2009 1:31 am

Thanks for the review David.

One thing that I noticed... the section on Rioja did not include Lopez de Heredia. I don't mean to nit pick about which producers were and were not included but from from my understanding, Lopez de Heredia is synomous with traditional Rioja and should be one of the first Rioja produers to be discussed.

I did think that David Schildknecht's sections on Germany and Burgundy were outstanding and worth the price of admission alone...

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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Jim Brennan » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:00 am

Eric Asimov has a bit of a review as well. His opinion appears to correspond with yours David, although seems to single-out sections from both Squires and Jay Miller as lacking in substance.

http://thepour.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/1 ... ker-redux/
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Bob Parsons Alberta » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:11 am

David writes.....One important caveat about the book. There are no tasting notes for the wines. In the interest of space only scores have been reproduced. That is lamentable, as the narrative tasting notes have always been more important to me, and at least according to the introduction to The Wine Advocate they are more important than a score.

Sounds like a waste of money to me!

These bl..dy scores mean nothing to me. I get better imput from here and the UK forum!
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Ed Draves » Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:16 am

David,
Thanks for the review, I'll probably pick it up but (even though I am a fan of Parkers and consider Squires an "online friend") will probably only read the David Schildknecht chapters. I'm reminded of the old Chris Rock routine about buying a car (what if I only make left turns)
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David M. Bueker » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:40 am

I see no reason to pick nits with Squires' writing. He authored sections on dry Portugese reds and wines of Israel. Given that The Wine Advocate has only recently begun covering them I am glad they even made it into the book!

Salil - Neal Martin authored the New Zealand section.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Nigel Groundwater » Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:15 pm

I haven't seen or read the book but based on his description of what's in it and what is not David Bueker's critique and follow ups make a lot of sense. All of the threads I have read in various forums include the major caveat about TNs. However DB's strong balancing comments on the good points also ring true.

Although I have earlier editions and 2 of his Bordeaux books I probably won't buy this one since the combination of wine magazines [including the World of Fine Wine] plus forums with major subscription content and the wine books I buy seem to provide me with enough current tastings with scores and TNs as well as very detailed regional and country articles by top critics/writers who have specialist as well as generalist knowledge.
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Wrong....On So Many Counts...

by TomHill » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:44 pm

David M. Bueker wrote:...... That said, wines change over time, and since the book provides retrospective data (some scores go back into the 90s) the original notes would be somewhat meaningless as wines change over time. Of course the same can be said of the scores, but there is the idea that numerical ratings are assigned based on a wine's current status and it's potential. I would not buy the book if I were looking to find out what a given wine tastes like - the information just isn't there.

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True...wines change over time...we all know that. However, as we've been told, RP's scores apply to the wine when it's at it's peak. So the scores do not change w/ time. On the rare occasions that RP will change a score for a famous/great wine, it seems to cause a lot of buzz in the wine world (at least one small corner of it). It implies that RP made a mistake in his original score... a concept that some people cannot accept.
....Whatever one thinks about Parker's palate preferences......

The "Parker palate" is a myth. Most people think he likes wines w/ high alcohol, high extraction, gobs of hedonistic fruit, ton of toasty Fr.oak. That is soooo wrong. He also likes light/elegant/ethereal wines as well we are told. There is no "Parker palate".

Nice review, David. Pretty much conincides w/ my impression from the hr I browsed it in Borders. Some very interesting bits of information in there, but not worth the risk of a hernia to buy it for me.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David M. Bueker » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:33 pm

Well your first statement doesn't stir the pot at all - you agreed with me.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by Jenise » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:13 pm

Salil Benegal wrote:Shame to hear about Dr. Miller's review on Australia. Would be really nice if we could get someone to review the region for the US who didn't apply a standard that Aussie wines have to be inky black and crammed with fruit, and would slaughter wines that didn't measure up to that yardstick for being 'tart, lean and European-styled'.


It's too bad for Australia. Too bad for Washington and Oregon, too--the wines of my home state aren't going to become more reasonably balanced anytime soon.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David Glasser » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:20 pm

I think it remains to be seen what impact each of the reviewers in WA will have on both prices and directions in winemaking. The WA is certainly a bully pulpit. But the influence of the writers may vary significantly from one individual to the next. Some of the Champagnes touted in Galloni's report shot up in price right after the issue came out. Will that effect be uniform? Not sure...
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Re: Wrong....On So Many Counts...

by Max Hauser » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:38 pm

TomHill wrote:However, as we've been told, RP's scores apply to the wine when it's at it's peak. So the scores do not change w/ time. On the rare occasions that RP will change a score for a famous/great wine, it seems to cause a lot of buzz ... implies that RP made a mistake ... a concept that some people cannot accept.

Given Tom's comment, and the reports that the book relies on scores, I'm very curious if there's any demonstration these days of P's scoring consistency. I mean real tests of numerical spread on the same wine tasted on different occasions. This does require a departure from tasting non-blind (however good and conscientious his palate).

In other real-world situations, when it's important to know how something is (rather than is asserted to be), routine practice is to test objectively (removing voluntary control and involuntary suggestion). So UK's Master of Wine examinations, I've long read, measure if the candidate can taste various things (rather than claim to taste them). Early in P's popularity (1980s) I saw scattered but authoritative accounts of him scoring wines differently when presented them blind, outside his control. Those reports dwindled; he was said to avoid such situations. To be fair, I can see conscientious reasons for that: random pop tests aren't automatically objective themselves, and invite distracting overemphasis. Yet (of course), unless you test if something like tasting consistency is true, paradoxically you never know that it's true. (Maybe this concerns only unfortunates who deal with facts and evidence and become sensitive about such things?)
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David Glasser » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:52 pm

Max makes some excellent points. Is this turning into a tasting/scoring methodology thread? A subject that's been beaten to death regularly, but I'll throw out a couple of comments that have been rolling around in my head lately:

Tasting vs. drinking can yield quite disparate impressions. Remember the Pepsi Challenge, where Pepsi blew away Coke in blind tastings? Apparently there was something about the sweetness of Pepsi that was quite appealing at first sip, but not so appealing if one drank a whole can of the stuff. A professional taster should be able to taste through this.

Blind tasting is only blind so long as the taster doesn't recognize the wine. Parker has been known to be pretty good at recognizing specific Bordeaux. Even if he is tasting "blind," if he recognizes (or thinks he recognizes) a particular wine, he will be subject to any previous impressions associated with that producer. Some contend that an impartial professional taster should be able to ignore any prior experiences or judgments, but I don't think that is possible.
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David M. Bueker » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:41 pm

I would rather this didn't turn into a "scoring" thread.

That being said, I am sure there's some kind of analysis of Parker scores out there somewhere, but I rather think it would be useless. Given the hundreds of threads on Parker's tasting methodology (and remember that he is far from the only taster in The Wine Advocate, so discussing him is like judging major league baseball solely on the performance of the Yankees) on eBob with never a mention of any authoritative study on Parker's consistency makes me doubt one is out there. There have been some pretty frank debates. Parker usually ends them in some childish manner, but they have never been anything more than he said, she said.

In the rare cases of Parker scoring wines for his Hedonist Gazette (some thing that is also followed very closely by the score hounds), he has rarely downgraded a wine significantly, and upgrades have generally been in the 2-3 point range which is hardly significant.

Anyway, I still think that the Schildknecht and Galloni entries in the new book are worth the price of admission. I couldn't care less about the scores. I have a subscription to eRobertparker.com to be able to read the notes (from Schildknecht and Galloni).
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Re: Book Review: Robert Parker's Wine Guide 7th Edition

by David Glasser » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:09 pm

Sorry about the detour, David. I agree that the DS and AG portions are the best part of the book.
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