Christoffel Gets Screwed!

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Christoffel Gets Screwed!

Postby David M. Bueker » Sat May 13, 2006 3:02 pm

I received an e-mail from Robert Eymael (who manages both Monchof and Christoffel), and starting with the 2005 vintage, at least the Christoffel QbA and Kabinetts will have Stelvin closures. I don't know about any other pradikats, but this is a good start.

The other bit of data is that he also said to drink up the synthetically closed kabinetts (2002-2004) within the "next months."
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Re: Christoffel Gets Screwed!

Postby Jenise » Sat May 13, 2006 6:03 pm

drink up the synthetically closed kabinetts (2002-2004) within the "next months."


Is that because there are problems with the synthetic corks?
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Re: Christoffel Gets Screwed!

Postby Dale Williams » Sat May 13, 2006 6:06 pm

David,
are all the Kabinetts synthetic? Because I thought I had some with natural corks. I have some through authorized channels, but most are grey market.
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Re: Christoffel Gets Screwed!

Postby Robin Garr » Sat May 13, 2006 6:15 pm

Jenise wrote:Is that because there are problems with the synthetic corks?


Can't speak for Christoffel, or David, but my experience, and abundant testimony from folks I trust, strongly suggests that the synthetics are not proving out for long-term or even medium-term storage. (Not talking about screwcaps here, but the various forms of plastic cork-shaped stoppers.) For light whites to drink up within a year, maybe. But anything over a couple of years past bottling is looking increasingly iffy.
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Re: Christoffel Gets Screwed!

Postby David M. Bueker » Sat May 13, 2006 6:38 pm

Ok...here's what I know: Some, but not all of the Christoffel Kabinetts from 2002-2004 have synthetic corks. Some have real cork (cold comfort...). The QbA is all synthetic from what I hear. There are no AP number differences from real cork to synthetic cork.

Anyway, the synthetic corked 2002 Urziger Wurzgarten Kabinett that was part of a tasting on 4/27 was oxidizing. The 2003 of the same wine (at the same event) was prematurely advanced. BOth came from impeccable channels and my anal retentive storage. Robert Eymael has (in his e-mail...hmm...Eymael sending e-mail) indicated he knows there is a problem with the synthetics. For those who wonder, the Christoffels were under the hard plastic extruded plug type cork. These things suck plain and simple.
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Re: Christoffel Gets Screwed!

Postby Rahsaan » Sat May 13, 2006 8:04 pm

The 2003 of the same wine (at the same event) was prematurely advanced.


But the 03 UW spatlese are fine for aging?

I forget if it was synthetic or not..
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Re: Christoffel Gets Screwed!

Postby David M. Bueker » Sat May 13, 2006 8:41 pm

The spatlese and above are real cork as far as I know.
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