Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

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Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby David Raccah » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:16 pm

Hello All - as a courtesy call :lol: Four Gates Winery has an entire line of new vintages. My notes will be up by end of week.

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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Yossie Horwitz » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:20 pm

Current list includes:

2010 Pinot Noir
2010 Petit Verdot
2010 Syrah
2011 Zinfandel
2011 Pinot Noir Cuvée D
2008 Merlot M.S.C.

Re-released
2007 Cabernet Franc
2009 Cabernet Sauvignon
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Andrew B » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:00 am

David Raccah wrote: My notes will be up by end of week.

David


Dude... priorities!
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Gabriel W » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:33 am

Go Binyo!
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby David Raccah » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:39 am

OK, the Cab and Cab Franc are GONE GONE GONE!! That is what happens for those who sleep, I warned you. The rest are going up today or tomorrow....
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Bill Coleman » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:59 am

My two cases arrived last Friday. Tried both pinots over shabbat, delich.
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Mike BG » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:25 pm

David Raccah wrote:My notes will be up by end of week.

Any news of them?
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Jonathan K » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:05 pm

I am obviously not David and unfortunately I burned my tongue on some soup before trying this wine, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt, but since there is some interest here on the new Four Gates wines and I haven't seen any write-up as yet, I did try the 2010 Petit Verdot last night.

Deep, dark, almost black in the glass. Stylistically a bit of a departure from most Four Gates reds. The biting acidity and firm tannins that you often see are less overt. I do not think that detracts from this wine but I generally prefer the other style. Somewhat reedy on the nose, the palate is dominated by cocoa. Also over the course of an hour there was little change in the profile. I have about half a bottle left so I will try it again tonight and see if it has changed at all.

Also to be fair, I opened it about 5 minutes after it arrived to my house.
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Andrew B » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:09 pm

I tried the NV Pinot Noir Cuvee D. Has the aromas and body of a mature wine, which is nice, but found it to be bitter/harsh. I will try another bottle along with the 2010 Pinot Noir.
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Jonathan K » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:53 am

Petit Verdot day 2.

OK-perhaps I underestimated the tanins in this one. Completely different wine last night. Nose was unchanged, but the cocoa was gone replaced by almost mellow red and black fruits, that were undetectable the previous night.

Wishing all an easy fast.
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby David Raccah » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:00 pm

Sorry for the delay, here are my notes:

http://kosherwinemusings.com/2013/02/25 ... ly-weaker/

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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Jonathan K » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:21 pm

Thanks for the notes David. I think you nailed the notes on the Zin and Syrah. I look forward to trying the Petit Verdot under better conditions. The others I haven't tried. I also agree that a new benchmark was set last year and you can't always top yourself.

Also- when you include the descriptor "dead animal" that implies to me a spoiled or off quality as opposed to "fresh meat" or "bloody" or "earthy" or "barnyard"(which might be good or bad) or even "bretty." Perhaps you could clarify- should I be looking for the smell of roadkill?
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby David Raccah » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:40 pm

You know Jonathan you and Yossie and Craig are correct - I have been having too much fun with roadkill and dead animal on tar. dead animal is roasted - not spoiled. I will correct on all wines going forward - there is no reason to have people make mistakes about wines because of my madness(es) - LOL!!!
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Gabriel Geller » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:58 pm

David Raccah wrote:You know Jonathan you and Yossie and Craig are correct - I have been having too much fun with roadkill and dead animal on tar. dead animal is roasted - not spoiled. I will correct on all wines going forward - there is no reason to have people make mistakes about wines because of my madness(es) - LOL!!!

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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Jonathan K » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:26 pm

First of all to keep Four Gates notes on this thread I will reiterate my notes from the weekend thread on the Zin.

Four Gates 2011 Santa Clara Valley Zinfandel: This is a terrific example of highly extracted jammy zin with enough acidity and structure to make that style work. It is also quite in contrast to the Landsman Zin which is much more restrained in style. Personally, I think Benyamin hit it out of the park with this one.

Quick aside: I've got to retry the Landsman Zin. My experience does not seem to match up with anybody here.

Now on to the somewhat perplexing Cuvee D Pinot Noir.
I have always maintained that the prior Non-Vintage PN's from Four Gates reminded me of well-made entry-level Burgundy. The 2010 had such highly extracted fruit that it was a departure from that style and screamed California.
The Cuvee D PN much more closely resembles old Burgundy. By old I mean mature to heading over the hill. There is an element of oxidation that never completely blows off but becomes a little less-pronounced with time in the glass at which time the wine becomes somewhat inky with red fruits, mostly cherry and a short finish. What reminds me most of Burgundy is the herbal-spice quality.
DISCLAIMER: I love old Burgundy so this appeals to me on that level but it was not what I was expecting and I am not sure what its appeal will be to others and I expect opinions might be strong on both sides. I am very curious what others think of this one.
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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby David Raccah » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:46 pm

Jonathan - interesting notes on the Cuvee D. To me what you call old or over the hill, is more bramble and forest floor, but sure it is a bit more mature than the 2009 beast or the 2010 hitter. Would love to hear from others what they think indeed.

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Re: Four Gates winery has new vinatges...

Postby Pinchas L » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:15 pm

Jonathan,

Many thanks for your detailed notes. I have been slow to get around to Benyo's wines, preferring to age them for a bit. However, I do plan on being more selective on the wines I age. I'm still drinking the NV (blend of 07/08) Pinot, but I've concluded that Benyo's Pinots don't gain much from aging, and in some instances they lose some of their charms. The other variety I think I've been aging for too long, is the Merlot.

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