Sadly (for many of us) there are great things being said about the Israeli 2008 vintages, who will not be able to appreciate it due to Shmita restrictions.
Isaac Chavel wrote:Sorry, but it is getting on my nerves lately.
E Segel wrote:And the controversy unfolds...
Rather the issue here is that the heterim that were enacted in Israel during shmita would not necessarily apply to consumers outside Israel, who have other options and wouldn't have to rely on a halachic "loophole". Many will disagree, however I asked a rav whose guidance I normally seek and follow, and this is what I was told.
Shlomo R wrote:Interestingly, I read the label of a 2001 El Rom to a rav I respect and follow, and he mentioned that the vineyard is apparently outside the area covered by the original biblical restrictions, so there is no problem with my drinking the 2001 even now. I suggest you call the rabbi and give him all of the information. You can PM me for the label text on the 2001 El Rom.
E Segel wrote:Sadly (for many of us) there are great things being said about the Israeli 2008 vintages, who will not be able to appreciate it due to Shmita restrictions. I don't mean to start any controversy and I know there are heterim for their production and consumption, but unfortunately for myself and many others I know, we here in the US cannot rely on those heterim and will therefore have to miss out on drinking these fantastic sounding wines. I am a frequent patronizer of Varietal and would normally have sent in my order quickly when I saw this email, especially considering how Rogov's a.h. review equated it with Israeli wines that normally sell for 2-3 times the price. Alas I will have to rely on hearsay for this one...
Stephen Weil wrote:Fantasic insight. Never thought about where the Vineyards were located.
The part of leaving the wine to be hefker in shmita year, surely it is the vinyards that must be hefker?
Stephen Weil wrote:To Mike and others
It's really a problem and its discussed in the gemora. If ElRom is outside of the boundaries of Israel etc, then they are duty bound to keep 2 days Yomtov as was discussed with Eilat and other areas. We don't want to go there we will never end the discussion so Teiko.
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