Wine storage in Israel

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Wine storage in Israel

Postby Rani Osnat » Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:51 am

Hi,

Can anyone recommend a place where one can rent storage space for wine? I heard that some of the wineries offer this.

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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Daniel Rogov » Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:05 am

Rani, Hi...

Three possibilities worth exploring:

Nir Shocham of Soreq winery offers storage facilities at the winery.
Carmel winery offersa storage service.
Derekh HaYain (Wine Route) has an arrangement but that may be only for regular customers

Depending on the number and replacement cost of bottles, be sure as well (as you would anywhere in the world) to check insurance possibilities.

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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Rani Osnat » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:35 am

Thanks Rogov!
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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Eli R » Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:54 pm

Rani, Hi,

Carmel winery offersa storage service


- In Rishon Lezion. Speacial room, private "lockers" store individual bottles. Each locker is for about 24 bottles.

Derekh HaYain (Wine Route) has an arrangement but that may be only for regular customers


- They do not accept new customers for in-store wine storage

Nir Shocham of Soreq winery offers storage facilities at the winery.


Soreq and other wineries that have a "wine school" offer storage for the people who make wine there.
If they have extra space, they may allow you to store - in boxes, and may require a minimum charge.

It realy depends on how many bottle you want to store, for how long, and how frequently you need to access the storage.
Expect around 1 NIS per bottle per month.

If you tell me how many bottles, and for how long, I may be able to help. You can send a private message.

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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Isi M » Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:43 pm

Hi Eli

Do you have a phone number for Carmel in RIshon ?

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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Eli R » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:44 pm

Isi, Hi,

Call the winery at 03-9488888 and ask for the woman that deals with the wine-"safe"

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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Isi M » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:21 am

Hi Eli,

Thanks.
I will speak on Sunday to Arbel who is in charge of the safes.
Do you have any experience with them ? Easo of access, price,....

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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Rani Osnat » Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:03 am

Update.... Spoke with both Wine Route and Soreq - they don't do this sort of thing anymore. Honestly, I can understand them - if it's not part of your core business it can be a major headache.

I also spoke to Arbel from Carmel, who's in charge of the wine safes and it seems this is the only way to go (she sounded very nice btw).

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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Isi M » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:43 am

Indeed Carmel seems the only way for "outsourcing".

But they keep the temperature at 16 degrees Celsius.

I was always told that longterm cellaring needs to be at 12.
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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Daniel Rogov » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:52 am

Isi M wrote:I was always told that longterm cellaring needs to be at 12.



It ain't necessarily so. All wines should be stored at a steady temperature of between 8 and 15 degrees Celsius (46 - 59 degrees Fahrenheit). Even though nearly everyone agrees that wines in a cold cellar will mature more slowly and keep longer than wines in a relatively warm one, not all agree on this precise temperature range and several world famous restaurants and hotels keep their wines at a permanent 18 degrees Celsius. My own preference for truly long-term cellaring (20 or more years) is between 13-16 degres Celsius but for up to 10 years I'm happy with 16 or even 18 degrees.

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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Rani Osnat » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:25 pm

Isi M wrote:Indeed Carmel seems the only way for "outsourcing".

But they keep the temperature at 16 degrees Celsius.

I was always told that longterm cellaring needs to be at 12.


Actually 13-14 is considered ideal. It's not a big deal though. 12 means your wines will mature a little slower, and 16 a little faster. What is a lot more important is not to keep the temperature relatively constant, without big fluctuations. I don't plan on leaving the wines with Carmel for decades, only a couple of years...
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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Isi M » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:39 pm

I suppose the temp at Carmel storage is "stable", meaning it is a temperature-controlled-area and not a natural one...

Temperature at 16..ok, but with no upside fluctuations !
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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Eli R » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:41 pm

Isi M wrote:I suppose the temp at Carmel storage is "stable", meaning it is a temperature-controlled-area and not a natural one...

Temperature at 16..ok, but with no upside fluctuations !


Hi,

Indeed it is 16 degrees with high humidity (excess water on the floor). The alarm will go off on 18 degrees or so.

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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Isi M » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:02 pm

I was told by them that humidity is kept at 70% : that's ok.
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Re: Wine storage in Israel

Postby Isi M » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:14 am

Eli R wrote:
Isi M wrote:I suppose the temp at Carmel storage is "stable", meaning it is a temperature-controlled-area and not a natural one...

Temperature at 16..ok, but with no upside fluctuations !


Hi,

Indeed it is 16 degrees with high humidity (excess water on the floor). The alarm will go off on 18 degrees or so.

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Hi

The excess water on the floor looks like it has been done "on purpose" in order to create humidity (little hole in the water evacuation of the aircondining).

The same way you create humidity in a wine fridge (with the excess of condensated water) : on some models you can even see water "dripping" on the back.
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