Kosher wine which can age for 20+ years?

[R Liberman]

Do you know of any kosher wines which can age for 20+ years? Our first granddaughter was born in 2007 and I'd like to purchase some 2007 vintage wine and save it for her wedding.

Thanks!

[David M. Bueker]

First of all welcome to the forum. Glad to have you with us.

Daniel Rogov will probably stop by to answer your question, but just so you know, he has his own section of the forum where you will likely get a better answer (or at least more answers!) to your question. If you would like we can have a moderator move your question to his forum, or leave it here. Whatever works for you!

[R Liberman]

I am very excited to join this forum and look forward to learning so much more about wines in general and kosher wines in particular. By all means, please re-post this question in the most appropriate section.

Mr. Rogov, I love your Guide to Israeli Wines series and am really looking forward to your newest book on kosher wines!

L'chaim!
Robert

[David M. Bueker]

Move accomplished.

[Andrew Breskin]

I'd say the only ones available now would be the 07 Covenant Napa Cab and maybe some of the top end Herzog Napa cabs. Both pricey, but there are deals to be had on Covenant.

[Daniel Rogov]

Robert, Hello and Welcome to the Forum...

The first hint above, about the Covenant, 2007 and several of the Herzog Special Reserve wines is a good one. The "problem" right now is that the best 2007 wines from Bordeaux are only now being released and those from Israel are still a year or so away from release. Until all of those wines have been released it will be difficult to fully answer your question. For the moment at least I would suggest stocking up on the Covenant and then going into a holding mode unti the others have been released.

Another hint that may be useful is for you to consider buying at least half of these wines in magnum formats, for a wine that will have a drinking window of say 2018 in regular bottles (750 ml) will have a far better chance of holding its own until 2027.

By early spring I will have tasted the vast mamority of the world's kosher 2007 releases. If may be somewhat of a chutzpah on my part but may I suggest that you make a note in your calendar to post a reminder about this issue on say 1 April 2010
In the meanwhile, should you find any wines that you think may be suitable candidates, don't hesitate to post a request for a tasting note on the forum as I and others will be delighted to respond.

On a parallel track - with children marrying later and not earlier, do seriously consider that your daughter may not marry by the age of twenty.

Best
Rogov

[Andrew Breskin]

Another hint that may be useful is for you to consider buying at least half of these wines in magnum formats, for a wine that will have a drinking window of say 2018 in regular bottles (750 ml) will have a far better chance of holding its own until 2027.

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On a parallel track - with children marrying later and not earlier, do seriously consider that your daughter may not marry by the age of twenty.

Great tip, and excellent observation! (Unless the match is already picked out)

I have found that large format kosher wines are hard to come by, and if they are available, they command a significant premium.

[Daniel Rogov]

On a parallel track - with children marrying later and not earlier, do seriously consider that your daughter may not marry by the age of twenty.

Great tip, and excellent observation! (Unless the match is already picked out)

I know that what I say may offend some, but I had heard a rumor to the effect that we were now living in the 21st century.


On that note - off to a tasting and then to the Sommelier events.

Best
Rogov

[Philip Aron]

Why do these people have a free platform to advertise their buisnesses on this forum.?

There are "deals to be made" !!!.....the sledge hammer hint.

Let them flog their grog on another blog.

[Jonathan Kalman]

Philip,
The convention that is accepted on this forum (and others) is that not only is there nothing wrong or inappropriate in people who are 'in the business' showing their website address but rather the contrary is true; anybody who is ITB should disclose this so that there is no hidden conflict of interest or attempt to promote a wine in which the contributor has a financial interest.
I frankly cannot see that anybody on this thread is attempting so sell anything, they are giving advice. However you have a tendency to make strident and aggressive remarks that seem to me to be out of place here. This is a polite place with nice people, lets keep it that way.

[Philip Aron]

Jonathan,

We have presumably both read the same material and have differing understandings of the content.
We can agree to disagree.

As to your wont of delivering little lectures about style and form, I suggest that you address them to the inspector of seagulls.

[Mike BG]

Philip:

I am sorry to have to say this, but I found your comment to Jonathan (a long standing and valued contributor to this friendly and polite forum) to be quite out of place and highly offensive.

It is not at all in keeping with the atmosphere in the forum (or indeed its predecessor on Strats Place).

[Philip Aron]

egad !!!

[R Liberman]

Robert, Hello and Welcome to the Forum...

By early spring I will have tasted the vast majority of the world's kosher 2007 releases. It may be somewhat of a chutzpah on my part but may I suggest that you make a note in your calendar to post a reminder about this issue on say 1 April 2010. In the meanwhile, should you find any wines that you think may be suitable candidates, don't hesitate to post a request for a tasting note on the forum as I and others will be delighted to respond.

On a parallel track - with children marrying later and not earlier, do seriously consider that your daughter may not marry by the age of twenty.

Best
Rogov

No chutzpah taken; that's a great suggestion and I will definitely re-post on April 1, after taking some of the other suggestions as well regarding Covenant and magnums. Storage for magnums might be a problem for me, though. We do have a small wine refrigerator, but it won't hold magnums.

Regarding the comment children marrying later, this is our granddaughter - not daughter. Coming from an observant family, she could very well marry at 20-22 years old (I wouldn't mind that so much).

Thanks again for your advice.

Robert

[Daniel Rogov]

A call to good order, gentlemen.

First, I believe it is Robin Garr's policy on the WLDG boards as a whole and certainly it is my policy in Rogov's Place that clearly commercial links really do not belong on the forums. I would thus ask Andrew to remove the first of his three links as that most definitely falls into the category of commercial. Should one want to link, not as a signature, but within a post to a comercial site in which they have no commercial connection but feel it will be of use to forum members that is fine.

The link to Andrew's blog on the other hand is perfectly legitimate. As to links to twits, what can I say other than them who wants to twit will twit and them who don't won't.

On that, let us return to our gentlemanly status.

Me thanks thee
Rogov

[Andrew Breskin]

Just so everyone knows, I cleared my signature before I started posting here. I will now change it since I value this forum and don't want to upset the gracious host. I do agree that the hostile tone is totally unnecessary from the initial aggressor, who has a tendency to get a little "excited." It's amazing what people will say to one another when hiding behind a monitor and keyboard.

"There are deals to be had on Covenant" means just that. This is opposed to Herzog wines -- which are in extremely small production with pricing heavily controlled by the winery.

[Andrew Breskin]

No chutzpah taken; that's a great suggestion and I will definitely re-post on April 1, after taking some of the other suggestions as well regarding Covenant and magnums. Storage for magnums might be a problem for me, though. We do have a small wine refrigerator, but it won't hold magnums.


Robert

One more idea -- Baron Herzog bottles a few three liter bottles of their various Reserve Cabernets, and they are reasonably prices. Such a large format wine from a decent vintage would probably last 20 years.

Covenant only makes a handful of magnums and they are very expensive -- about the price of four regular bottles.

[Isi M]

A troublemaker will always stay a troublemaker ...

[Daniel Rogov]

Andrew, Hi......

Thanks for your consideration. Appreciated.

Best
Rogov

[Adam Montefiore]

With advance apologies to everyone if this recommendation is considered too commercial but in the spirit of providing a possible answer to a challenging question, please forgive this contribution.

I believe a port style wine like the Carmel Vintage will last 20 years with no problem.
The Carmel Vintage 2007, made from Petite Sirah from the Judean Hills, will be released in February or March 2010.

Regards,
Adam Montefiore

[Ryan Maderak]

One specific possibility that has not been mentioned is that 2007 is great Sauternes year, and it seems that the few Chateaux that make kosher versions of their wines make them at the same quality level as their normal wines, based on Rogov's notes. Even a modest Sauternes from a good vintage can last 20 years.

[R Liberman]

I'm trying to get a handle on what determines the drinking window for a wine. In particular, what quality will allow, for example, a Covenant Winery Cab to age 20 years while most other Cabs won't last more than just a few years?

Thanks,
Robert

[Andrew Breskin]

I'm trying to get a handle on what determines the drinking window for a wine. In particular, what quality will allow, for example, a Covenant Winery Cab to age 20 years while most other Cabs won't last more than just a few years?

Paging Rogov...

[Daniel Rogov]

I'm trying to get a handle on what determines the drinking window for a wine. In particular, what quality will allow, for example, a Covenant Winery Cab to age 20 years while most other Cabs won't last more than just a few years?

Robert, Hi.....

No fear...not a forgotten issue. Just so exhausted that I want to wait until the grey cells are functioning a bit better before I try to put together an intelligent response. With luck tomorrow.....

Best
Rogov